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Wild speculation on how the 2 GC gives clues to the 2022 G42 2
OK so we've all seen the 2020 F44 Gran "Coupe" now I'm sure. I know that they will be built on completely different platforms (CLAR vs UKL) but it could give some clues as to what the 2022 G42 2 Series Coupe might look like.
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As you can guess, I'm no fan of the giant grill on the 4. My fear is that with all the complaints about the 2 GC looking boring or just like a corolla, they will use their new go to for making a car "exciting" - put a giant grill on it. It would be nice to know these things so we can plan to buy a 2021 before they "ruin it". Last edited by MarkDemma; 10-16-2019 at 10:17 AM.. Reason: Adding speculative picture. |
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The way the world is with spy photo's, renders and blogs, and the way BMW does new or updated vehicle launches, you'll have plenty of info and time to decide if you want the last of the "current" version or if you want to wait for the "new" version.
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The >4 cyl/stick shift/acceptable-utility-for-a-daily-driver category is pretty much just pony cars and the 2 series now. I occasionally wish I was fine compromising for a 4 cyl automatic, I could save a hell of a lot of money, buy a G70 and still have a great chassis and a stalwart commuter. Where's the fun in that, though? |
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Wild speculation? Here is mine: There will be no RWD successor to the current 2-series Coupe!
BMW has already announced there will be no cabriolet. This means the 2-coupe would be the only in the lineup and it would make it almost impossible to make money on only one model in a lineup even though it will share parts/platform of the 3/4-series. So now BMW waits for the sales figures of the M235i GC and if they are just slightly satisfactory my prediction is that BMW makes a xDrive Coupe of the F44 like the speculative picture in OP. Maybe with a small upgrade of the engine to make about 326hp and call it M240i
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I know but things can change and I don't believe they have settled on the final layout of the next 2-series coupe yet if it comes. With a modern production line there is no problem in mixing production of RWD and FWD production. This is fx exactly what they are doing today in Leipzig where they make the 1-series FWD together with the 2-series RWD/xDrive and M2.
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I think they will still keep it 230i and M240i as the standard 2 series coupes. The platform for the coupe will be a longitudinal so they couldn't use that higher output B48 anyway unless they decide to do a high performance version of the 30i B48 which I doubt. It's also easier to distinguish with this naming convention to the Gran Coupes 228i/M235i.
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The next generation 2 series coupe will be offered with a RWD but 4 cylinder, auto only.
If the 3 series G20, which is the bread and butter of the BMW non-SUV line-up, wasn't given a manual option, neither will the next generation, low-volume 2 series. It would not be cost-effective to R&D and certify both variants. The B58 manual will be reserved for the G87 M2 to add some separation between the models, unlike the confusing clusterfvck they are now. |
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A high-output variation of the B58 sounds more palatable. Which is not a bad thing; I drove a 2020 M340i with the new B58 and although I hated how huge it felt but that car is a rocket. Hit the gas, hold on and it just blast off. As far the grille goes, I can't speak on that, I'm not sure what BMW designers are smoking nowadays but based on M235i Grand Coupe, it might have a similar conventional front-end. |
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The next M2 will be made in Mexico to save a buck, I highly doubt it would have a S58 and still be within 60k, which is the entry-level demographic they're shootings for. Your guess is as good as mines until either one can confirm it but if I was a betting man, my money would be on a tuned B58 for the next M2. Let's leave it at that. |
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I'm still skeptical on the quality of the new Mexico plant vs that of Spartanburg or any of the Euro Plants.
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I would say the age of the robots and infrastructure in the factory has more to do with the quality of a given car model than where it is built. |
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Exactly correct! The building and robotics don't know where they are. Unless one holds unfortunate views on one ethnicity over another for a labor force, the quality is most directly related to the skill and thoroughness with which the manufacturer (from their HQ in the home country) has developed/selected competent managers who launch the remote plant. For a long time, MB found that their South African plant was actually producing higher quality vehicles (as determined by audit) than those from Germany. At one point (not sure if still true), Honda Marysville Accords were tracking a superior quality assessment to those from Japan. Plant management and the quality of the supply base is the key...not the geography.
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I think / hope they'll sell the M2 with the S58 as the purist / person concerned with performance and the M4 for the show off types that actually like that giant grill. |
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