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The first M car based on a production vehicle was the E12 M535i; the engine was the same engine found in the E23 7 Series and E24 6 Series. M modifications were mostly confined to the suspension, although the front brake rotors were 3mm thicker. The interior had Recaro seats and a Motorsport wheel. The exterior had a front airdam, rear lip spoiler, cross-spoke BBS wheels and Motorsport striping. No bespoke engine or body panels. It was definitely not a "real" M car by today's standards.
As for me, the badging on the M235i never factored into my purchase decision; I simply wanted an engaging daily driver, a competent HPDE instructor car, and something that could shut down most of the usual suspects at the Stoplight Grand Prix. After nearly three years of ownership I'm still pretty happy with it; The only cars I'm considering replacing it with are an M2C or Giulia Q4.
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I also didn't buy the M235 because of it's "variant" or "M designation".. I bought it because of the twin scroll N55, and the F22 RWD/MT/LSD "OE" platform. It was hailed as one of the best BMWs since the "hole grail" E46 M3 by my favourite reviewer (Chris Harris). Being up on power, big time, and having all of the newer tech, it was exactly the fit for my goals, which align with most typical BMW enthusiasts, imo..
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I proudly declare my M240i is an 'M' car. For full description, an 'M lite' If anybody has problems with my description, please contact BMW
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A guy I met in an M4 at Area27 last year actually said for the value, he made the wrong choice. The F22's at their price point, offer a lot more performance for the $ than the rest of the lineup, when it comes to tracking. That and the fact that the body parts, and suspension components are at a much lower cost to replace, in the event of an off track incident, or even just excessive wear factor, justifies the drop in power, and pricepoint.. He was too chicken to take corners at the speeds I was, simply because he paid $120K for his coupe and didn't want to wreck it.. And when he found out I obtained mine for under half of what he paid, he was dumbfounded lol
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BMW had confused matters further by introducing a non-M 535i at about the same time, for those who wanted sports-car performance in something that looked like a 518. Those days absolutely are over; if there was demand for Q-cars today I am sure BMW would build them, but they don’t; they want agggresion and spoilers. And boy, are they getting ’em |
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Foolishly thinking what I recently witnessed while on my daily commute to work was just one silly fluke, a quick forum search revealed that my faith was sadly misplaced. Shortly after merging onto the interstate bypass I take to the office, I see a beautiful Sunset Orange Metallic 2 series slightly up ahead of me. Of course I wanted to see it up close, so I adjusted my speed accordingly to be able to catch up before my exit. Lo and behold, I get up closer and it's a 2018 M240i (or at least it looks identical to mine in every way except for the color). I look again, and I'm like "That's absolutely an M240i, so why the hell does it have an M2 badge!?!?!" Yep, this dude replaced his M240i badge with an M2 badge. And yes, I am 1000% certain it wasn't an actual M2. So my question is, why? WHY? I just don't get it. If someone could please enlighten me I would be very grateful.
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1) It's an M-car (maybe M-lite, but still an M-car); and, 2) It's a 2 series; therefore, 3) It's an M2. Makes sense, right?
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Good grief, I have to admit reading the latest entries to this thread that apparently will not die is making me LMAO...
drader, your logic is impeccable...thank you for brightening my day! I now know why 1+1=7!
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Why? Because it's a cheaper and easier upgrade than a downpipe and a tune!
Or buying a new car. When I had my N54 E90, I saw plenty of rebadged 328s with the 335xi badge. (I just hope they received the dreaded 30ff CEL that comes standard with that wonderful engine)
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Would I have preferred that BMW call our cars 235iS instead of M235i? Of course, makes more sense given the modifications done to our car from factory. Though like you and many other enthusiasts I don't go around faking an M, rather I enjoy it for what it is, I've modified it a bit to my liking and I try to educate others regarding the M235i and M2 confusion/differences. PS: Am I alone in thinking that our cars would have retained more value if BMW hadn't decided to start putting M badges into more and more non-M cars and instead decided to occasionally release these "one-off" factory M-tuned variants? Please share your thoughts! |
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BMW has been building M Sports for some time; my 1995 Club Sport came with M badging on the side moldings and rear spoiler- along with an M shift knob. As for the prevalence of M badging today, Like it on not, BMW decided several years ago to designate the car with the most powerful non-M motor in each series as an "M Performance" car. This has been going on in North America since the introduction of the M235i.
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