F1 2021: British GP - Silverstone (July 18)

///M Power-Belgium · 07-23-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rwheels

Hasn't Max already done this to a few drivers?

Hasn't HAM already done this to Albon ?

Wait....Actually (2) twice ! And + 1 last weekend with MAX = 3 !

Meanwhile over here we call it "An Albon" from HAM !

It's such a "dirty trick" to take (Intentionally) the leader of the race (MAX) out ...

It's a real shame for motorsports !

MKSixer · 07-23-2021, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well mate . You can bet on it !
And probably in the same way as well ...

You never heard of : "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" ?

It was only a matter of time , then finally Hammy showed his dirty kart trick in his home race !

This is one of the great misnomers in all of language. "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", is actually a plea for mercy. It stems from time of antiquity when, in the case of an offense given to a person, an entire village or family would be wiped out for even a perceived slight. Entire bloodlines or villages were destroyed over nothing. The saying actually means to do like-for-like or less.

Per the stewards, Max shared fault in the incident though Sir Lewis has the majority of the blame as the report is written. It would be best for Max to concentrate on preserving his lead in the WDC. He is racing against the most successful driver in F1 who has seen off multiple internal and external challenges while only losing once in the Turbo-Hybrid era.

Max is in for the fight of his life.

Cheers, my friend-MK

Killed by Death · 07-23-2021, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tdott

Yea, that's what I think too, he can certainly try.

But what about this non-sense from RB?
"Red Bull Won’t “Stoop” to “Revenge” Against Mercedes"

Like they expect anyone to believe that.

Misinformation campaign in hopes of minimizing the penalty

tdott · 07-23-2021, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

It's such a "dirty trick" to take (Intentionally) the leader of the race (MAX) out

FYI it doesn't prove intentional, since it was Max who turned in thinking Lewis wouldn't be there.

It was Max's decision weather or not to cause a collision, no matter whose fault it was.

minn19 · 07-23-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Hasn't HAM already done this to Albon ?

Wait....Actually (2) twice ! And + 1 last weekend with MAX = 3 !

Meanwhile over here we call it "An Albon" from HAM !

It's such a "dirty trick" to take (Intentionally) the leader of the race (MAX) out ...

It's a real shame for motorsports !

That wasn't good what HAM did to Albon, I and most here felt very bad for him and weren't happy about it. But do you see the HAM fans going on for pages and pages that he wasn't at fault etc etc?

I'll help, no you don't.

minn19 · 07-23-2021, 12:25 PM

Speaking of Albon/Bottas and Horner/Toto. At least Toto is actively trying to get Bottas a replacement ride while RB made Albon their simulator/coffee bitch.

M5Rick · 07-23-2021, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by rwheels

Hasn't Max already done this to a few drivers?

If he has then it wasn't to try to kill them.

chuckthis · 07-23-2021, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MKSixer

I completely understand this.

I'm thinking more Ferrari v McLaren style fighting or Ferrari v Renault. These were titanic battles without all of the drama that RBR brings to the table.

They were doing the same drama in the EBD era. It's what they do.

I wouldn't say that Flavio was a completely level headed guy...

///M Power-Belgium · 07-23-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MKSixer

This is one of the great misnomers in all of language. "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", is actually a plea for mercy. It stems from time of antiquity when, in the case of an offense given to a person, an entire village or family would be wiped out for even a perceived slight. Entire bloodlines or villages were destroyed over nothing. The saying actually means to do like-for-like or less.

Per the stewards, Max shared fault in the incident though Sir Lewis has the majority of the blame as the report is written. It would be best for Max to concentrate on preserving his lead in the WDC. He is racing against the most successful driver in F1 who has seen off multiple internal and external challenges while only losing once in the Turbo-Hybrid era.

Max is in for the fight of his life.

Cheers, my friend-MK

Well , I think it depends "where" It's been said and for what .And of course it comes from the Bible .
Actually all the verses in the bible have a double meaning .
But over here it means for 100 %...
In one single word => "REVENGE" in the meaning of a dirty fight .

I never heard it otherwise ...

And that's what we are going to see from HAM vs MAX.
And hopefully no one gets really hurt , but I heard today that MAX still suffers from neck pain and dizziness ...
Given all the circumstances : MAX was very , "VERY LUCKY" because 51 G Isn't a joke !

MKSixer · 07-23-2021, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckthis

I wouldn't say that Flavio was a completely level headed guy...

He's a walking cautionary tale.

If you have a son, you can show him a pic of Flabio with his 30 year old gf and say, "Son, if you are successful and do well in life financially, you can have a girl like this no matter how you look."

If you have a daughter you can show that same picture and say, "Sweetheart, if you don't do well in life, you may be stuck with an old joker like this taking care of you for the rest of your life."

One man. One pic. Two different meanings. The power of Flabio.

My work here is done.

M5Rick · 07-23-2021, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Hasn't HAM already done this to Albon ?

Wait....Actually (2) twice ! And + 1 last weekend with MAX = 3 !

Meanwhile over here we call it "An Albon" from HAM !

It's such a "dirty trick" to take (Intentionally) the leader of the race (MAX) out ...

It's a real shame for motorsports !

Why hasn't this been updated in the rules, basically if someone is seriously injured or killed by this DT then the perpetrator gets a ten second penalty and two penalty points still, ah of course..Masi keeps creeping in the picture.

M5Rick · 07-23-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well , I think it depends "where" It's been said and for what .And of course it comes from the Bible .
Actually all the verses in the bible have a double meaning .
But over here it means for 100 %...
In one single word => "REVENGE" in the meaning of a dirty fight .

I never heard it otherwise ...

And that's what we are going to see from HAM vs MAX.
And hopefully no one gets really hurt , but I heard today that MAX still suffers from neck pain and dizziness ...
Given all the circumstances : MAX was very , "VERY LUCKY" because 51 G Isn't a joke !

R Schumacher had a >>78G<< impact with a wall in '04 after a BMW-Williams tyre failure, he had concussion and two small vertebrae fractures.

///M Power-Belgium · 07-23-2021, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by minn19

Speaking of Albon/Bottas and Horner/Toto. At least Toto is actively trying to get Bottas a replacement ride while RB made Albon their simulator/coffee bitch.

That's a lie !
Albon is very happy at Red Bull . He really enjoys al the new Red Bull upgrades on track .
Albon is the number 1 tire testdriver at Red Bull . He tested all the new parts and upgrades of the new '21 Red Bull 16-B .
And he improved the balance of the new 16-B during the winter testings a lot .
He was one of first to drive the new "21 HONDA Spec-2 engine ..
BTW ...Albon is VERY well payed for all his test work and he really loves his new job as "THE" Red Bull test-driver .

racerbruce · 07-23-2021, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MKSixer

He's a walking cautionary tale.

If you have a son, you can show him a pic of Flabio with his 30 year old gf and say, "Son, if you are successful and do well in life financially, you can have a girl like this no matter how you look."

If you have a daughter you can show that same picture and say, "Sweetheart, if you don't do well in life, you may be stuck with an old joker like this taking care of you for the rest of your life."

One man. One pic. Two different meanings. The power of Flabio.

My work here is done.

Well done MK....HILARIOUS!

racerbruce · 07-23-2021, 01:26 PM

Pilot: WDC's:
VER 0
HAM 7

minn19 · 07-23-2021, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's a lie !
Albon is very happy at Red Bull . He really enjoys al the new Red Bull upgrades on track .
Albon is the number 1 tire testdriver at Red Bull . He tested all the new parts and upgrades of the new '21 Red Bull 16-B .
And he improved the balance of the new 16-B during the winter testings a lot .
He was one of first to drive the new "21 HONDA Spec-2 engine ..
BTW ...Albon is VERY well payed for all his test work and he really loves his new job as "THE" Red Bull test-driver .

I'm sure he's super happy being a young very motivated/competitive guy that doesn't have a seat in F1 anymore.

And what part is the lie? He is doing hours and hours of sim time for VER and PER. The coffee part might be an embellishment.

rwheels · 07-23-2021, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by racerbruce

Pilot: WDC's:
VER 0
HAM 7

kinda like

tdott · 07-23-2021, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

Why hasn't this been updated in the rules, basically if someone is seriously injured or killed by this DT then the perpetrator gets a ten second penalty and two penalty points still, ah of course..Masi keeps creeping in the picture.

The rules and steward don't judge the consequence of the incident. They can only judge the incident and contact itself.

Max could have died and in theory it shouldn't change the penalty.

The great Schumacher tried to take out Villeneuve intentionally, you can see him turn into him before the corner. Schumacher was out of the race and Villeneuve continued on. The penalty was still pretty harsh, lost all his points that season and disqualified from the 1997 World Championship.

Think about that for a minute.

///M Power-Belgium · 07-23-2021, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

R Schumacher had a >>78G<< impact with a wall in '04 after a BMW-Williams tyre failure, he had concussion and two small vertebrae fractures.

MAX was very lucky that the impact was sidewards in the tirewall.

racerbruce · 07-23-2021, 01:51 PM

VER caused the shunt.
VER is to blame.
VER is a bully.
VER has no one in his professional life to market-correct his egregious behavior.
VER will not be successful until his crash-my-way-to-the-front behavior changes.

M5Rick · 07-23-2021, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX was very lucky that the impact was sidewards in the tirewall.

The HANS and HALO system prevented any serious injury or worse and with the latest is that hammy couldn't care less not even trying to contact Max to ask how he's feeling..goes back to what I was saying about Wolf's mindset also and his actions after Max's off.

rwheels · 07-23-2021, 01:54 PM

More analysis in a different forum.

Re: Hamilton - Verstappen Crash Frame by Frame Analysis
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"Note that Hamilton presses on the brake already before contact, and his steering wheel is turned in the direction of the turn, he was trying to avoid a collision. Max cuts the corner at full speed, not thinking that someone is there."

https://www.f1technical.net/forum/vi...c.php?p=988291

There is also a replay in slow motion, which helps analyze the sequence a bit better.

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racerbruce Brigadier General 3858 Rep 3,004 Posts Drives: 21 X3 & 13 335is E93 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Seattle iTrader: (1)	VER caused the shunt. VER is to blame. VER is a bully. VER has no one in his professional life to market-correct his egregious behavior. VER will not be successful until his crash-my-way-to-the-front behavior changes. __________________ Racerbruce
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