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I don't think the chart is accurate for older engines. For example, the classic M54/S54 engine would have direct injection according to this chart, and it did not. |
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If the 0O0 to 0T0 is only 10KW, how in the world can they get to the rumored level of 365-370? I had been basing my comparisons on the original N54 to the one used in the 1M. Now the original N54 was famous for being underrated, but I believe that the 1M was also dynoed at levels where the crank would have to have been higher than 335 BHP as well. I have just never been impressed with the N55, and I am really hoping that BMW works some magic on it. In full disclosure, I haven't driven a new M3/4 with the S55 either - so maybe that version of the 55 (with 2 turbos) is more satisfying.
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10-09-2014, 08:28 PM | #25 |
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If you mean N54 not M54 it had DI, the N52 did not. Once they introduced turbocharging it was direct injected.
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Just re-read the title of the engine chart, and it refers to it being for B-series engines only, so my original point is moot. |
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10-10-2014, 01:27 PM | #27 |
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I never read the chart, I think I've owned every engine on the list. I was just referencing that DI started with the turbo engines. I was always hoping they would use it on the N52 and then they went to turbocharging on every engine.
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M235 will eventually get B58 engine (per Scott). Thats around 330-340hp..
M2 should have a healthy increase over that. I sort of agree with 375hp that autobild is predicting, unless BMW plan to start with 350 and bump it up later.. |
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I think its going to be more like 365 BHP
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+2 no chance over 400HP??
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I don't think so. :/ and since we aren't getting the S55, there's lower tuning potential as well.
The stock internals of the N55 are said to be able to handle no more than 360 BHP in a long term reliable manner. To me, it's not an accident that BMW is "shooting" for that number. They don't want a smaller car being able to encroach on the M3/4.
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Agreed - my guess is that we will get some % of the improvements made to the S55 - enough that BMW will be comfortable with the engine pushing 365-370 BHP reliably.
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-----------------------------More 1M pre-release and development history trivia: http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=841751
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"....F22 1M will show what is possible once you do not have restrictions."
oh snap!! Now we talking. Let's hope this isn't just talk. Driven two 1M's in the past two days and I want. BADLY |
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For the record: that August 2010 info was accurate back then. As a matter of fact, the M2 was deemed to get a 4-cyl. (a reworked N20 engine). Scott26 confirmed the 4-cyl. layout even in January 2014. Apparently BMW M has changed plans around Winter 2013-2014: the M2 4-cyl. plan was shelved - the M2 gets a 6-cyl.
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A few observations:
1. The first zero in "0T0" means that the engine size is a full liter, it is nearly useless in describing the output of the engine. 2. According to the graphic in the OP, that I have seen posted elsewhere in the past, there will be no T0 versions of engines. The consequences of which differ depending on the assumptions that we make. The most likely option is that the graphic is incorrect and the scale starts at T0. Another option is that T0 engines are pre-production versions of T1 engines. However if we do assume that the graphic is correct, we shouldn't be seeing an N55B30T0. Whatever the reality these should be able to be verified by ynguldyn or Scott26. 3. While it is at least keeping us busy and interested. Speculating about these "rules" is an exercise in futility because the extents of these technical updates has varied greatly in the past. I for one will be happy if it revs a little higher more readily, or has a bigger turbo, or is just more efficient, because M knows how to put together a good package of which the engine is just a piece, and the N55 is a pretty good starting place. |
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This is what I am hoping for anyway...
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However, I think this is good for us customers too. Because with this decision, BMW must now prove to us that the dynamics of the car can make up for its lack of performance expansion capabilities. What I think we'll get, is not a car the blows your mind in a straight line - but is packed with emotion and finesse that no other company can match. They will have to wow us with the car as a complete package of the BMW spirit. I'm perfectly happy with how this is looking. |
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