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I wouldn't be shocked as the dealer (in August when I was buying) told me that fewer than 10% of the 2 series vehicles sold are manual trans
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12-03-2017, 09:00 AM | #3 |
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This has been discussed a bazillion times in here. Not likely. The 2 series is the rebirth of the undercover enthusiasts car for BMW. Why would they screw that up by not offering a manual to us here in the US when the rest of the world drives manuals and they make them anyway.
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12-03-2017, 09:56 AM | #5 |
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What does that have to do with BMW dropping the manual or not? The majority of BMW buyers opt for the automatic, we already know that. So you're far from being alone there. The question was if anyone heard definitive information that BMW would be dropping the manual from the 2 Series.
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Discuss ad nauseum here. Current trends at Ferrari, Porsche and even BWM suggest it will happen sooner or later. No worries for me now - I have my m235i convertible with MT and unless it's totaled in a accident sometime in the next 5-6 years, I won't be in the market for a replacement. By then who knows what flavors will be available.
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Just a rumor at this point. If it does happen, it likely won't be until the next-gen, possibly UKL (FWD) platform-based 2 series. I highly doubt the manual will be gone for the 2019 model year. Also, if I recall, wasn't there some BMW exec that is on record saying manuals will be around for the next gen due to the "people making their decision" (or something to that effect) i.e. opting for manual enough on the 2 series to make it worth their time even in the next-gen? Wish I could find it right now... the 10% take rate figure mentioned in this thread seems low. Maybe for cars sold off the lot, since BMW only seems to keep automatic/X-drive models on the lot 90% of the time. I'm curious to know how many 2 series vehicles have been special ordered vs. sold off the lot and of those ordered, how many were spec'ed with a manual transmission.
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The manual "take rate" for the M2 is 40%. This has exceeded BMW's expectations.
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12-08-2017, 07:42 AM | #11 |
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...and another ad exec gets his wings, once again exploiting the endless, and thus far groundless, fear that these are going away soon. But please buy one, and get your friends to buy one, because I really don't want them to stop making them in the next few cycles. I'm probably jaded, because I was actually worried when Porsche announced the definite end date for the 911. I think that was in 1979, and the resulting sales boom has served as a model for the corporate wide version of that used car salesman cliché ("somebody else was just looking at it, and is going to be here later with the cash - better buy it now....")
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It's already been announced. Bmw is transitioning to cvt since it has the fastest shift times.
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New G platform for the next wave of M cars has 6MT options, and I suspect any M-variant will also have a 6MT option, with exception of the 4-door M340i w/LSD that will only be available in 8AT, at time of launch. I wouldn't be too concerned, yet, though.
Strongly considering an M340i/8AT as my future family car, though (as much as I love MT) it ticks all of the boxes for my DD wants
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I don't want see the demise of the MT, but I think a bigger threat to those of us who like to drive is the self driving vehicle. I hope they are like the announced end of the 911-premature. But I'm not optimistic about that.
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I've got torque all the way across the rev range. Please, no, don't give me that stuck-RPM buzzing CVT acceleration.
I do confess I'm wondering why I need all those shift points that drop RPM by around 500-1000 RPM though ... |
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It's where all of it is going. Wouldn't shock me at all if they put one in. If somehow, it would be able to handle the power.
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CVTs come in several designs. The ones we're most familiar with, the belt-driven ones, are used primarily because they're relatively cheap to build and maintain. There are other designs, however, that range from those designed to supply propulsive power to multiple functions (hydrostatic CVTs in combines, earth-moving equipment, and military tanks) to others that operate much like differentials and are completely gear-driven. Put it this way: CVTs were banned from F1 at one point because of the unfair advantage it could have potentially given the team that implemented it first.
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I think in the right application, a CVT in a performance vehicle could be incredible for some of the same reasons high-performance EVs are incredible. The problem is getting the public to subscribe -- and, thus, a CVT in a performance vehicle will be a tough sell. In fact, it'll be far more tough than an EV because automakers don't have any exterior incentive to manufacture one like they do EVs.
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