Upgrade Options

th318 · 02-01-2016, 01:23 AM

Dear all,

Good day to you all.
I would like to upgrade for my M235i.

676 HIFI LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEM

This is what I found doing VIN decoder.

I found alpine hifi upgrade and Focal IFBMW-S.

Which one is better to go for?

Thank you.

Best wishes

Grave · 02-01-2016, 04:57 AM

Focal IFBMW-S is better for two reasons :

1)you have Hifi 676 and your car has'nt base sound

Notice Alpine hi-fi system retrofit kit :

Retrofit kit number 65 41 2 293 994

These installation instructions do not apply to cars with the SA 674/SA 688 (Harman Kardon surround sound system) or the SA 676 (Hi-fi speaker system).

You already have an amp in the trunk so you only have to change speakers.

2) don't know why, this kit does'nt appear in realoem for 235i

With focal or any other kit, you need to change
Emblem Alpine F2X 65132230426 (1 kit for left and right)
Corner moulding, interior right 51332349058
Corner moulding, interior left 51332349059

(Before applying Emblem Alpine)
and these fits very well and are cheaper than harman kardon because HK already went with tweeters inside.

the diy is easy :

my french tuto : http://bmw-one.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34196

i don't use Focal but ETON B100W (german speakers)
http://www.extremeaudio.de/gb/eton-b...n-b-100-w.html

see pics in my tuto, nothing to adapt, nothing to cut.

th318 · 02-01-2016, 06:27 AM

Thanks for sharing this to me.

Then what about Focal vs HK?

Which one do you think going to work well then?

And, I found Bimmer Tech has Amp too.

Recommend that upgrade?

Zooks527 · 02-01-2016, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by th318

And, I found Bimmer Tech has Amp too.

Recommend that upgrade?

I have the BimmerTech amp, and like it. Still getting the sound tuned, but even out of the box it's an improvement over the harmon kardon system that came with my car.

DIY here: http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1218371

th318 · 02-01-2016, 07:43 AM

If you wanna tune the Bimmer tech, do you have to pull it out and do the tune? Or it's wireless?

Grave · 02-01-2016, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by th318

Then what about Focal vs HK?

Not the same magnets and weight. Try to search pics and i think Focal is better
Don't know for you but in France Focal is cheaper and better sound so updating a car with new HK speakers is'nt a goo idea.

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Originally Posted by th318

And, I found Bimmer Tech has Amp too.
Recommend that upgrade?

Their amp is a Match PP82DSP with some mods and is adapted for HK option.
You need to ask Bimmer Tech for compatibility with a car with Hifi

For me it's a good but expensive idea but you can't trust Bimmer Tech for adjustments : you don't use same speakers and Bimmertech use F30 adjustment. F30 is a bigger car and had more speakers than F22.

If you get one, you need to ajust yourself the amp with your car with a PC and a Microphon. Not so difficult, software and manuals are free at http://www.audiotec-fischer.de/lng/e...sp.html?type=N

As i have old subs and amp from my older bimmer, i choose his little brother : PP52dsp (now it's 62) but my F22 had european base sound system.

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Originally Posted by th318

If you wanna tune the Bimmer tech, do you have to pull it out and do the tune? Or it's wireless?

tuning with USB connection

th318 · 02-01-2016, 08:34 AM

Thanks grave.

I did find out their website and has an option for 676 which should be for hi-fi system.

And, you are right, Bimmer tech isn't cheap!
Or it's pretty damn expensive

I'm thinking to get maybe a Focal ifbmws, which is easier to get in Taiwan, and a HK amp upgrade or Bimmer tech maybe?

Tune with USB, is that mean after I installed, i can use the sub port in car? Or I need to pull the amp out again and do the tune.

Thanks in advance.

Zooks527 · 02-01-2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by th318

If you wanna tune the Bimmer tech, do you have to pull it out and do the tune? Or it's wireless?

You do the tune via a USB cable that you leave connected to the amp with the other end accessible in either the cabin or battery compartment.

Zooks527 · 02-01-2016, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Grave

Their amp is a Match PP82DSP with some mods and is adapted for HK option.
You need to ask Bimmer Tech for compatibility with a car with Hifi

Their amp is actually adapted for the HiFi option in the F22, but is also compatible with the hk system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grave

For me it's a good but expensive idea but you can't trust Bimmer Tech for adjustments : you don't use same speakers and Bimmertech use F30 adjustment. F30 is a bigger car and had more speakers than F22.

There's a BimmerTech F22 tune for the HiFi system attached at the end of the first post in this thread: http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1218371

Grave · 02-01-2016, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zooks527

There's a BimmerTech F22 tune for the HiFi system attached at the end of the first post in this thread: http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1218371

Thank's for sharing

but did you see their time ajustment ?

dist is 0 for right door and sub and 51 cm for left door

I think they put the car on it's roof

Zooks527 · 02-01-2016, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grave

Thank's for sharing

but did you see their time ajustment ?

dist is 0 for right door and sub and 51 cm for left door

I think they put the car on it's roof

I have grab my laptop and look on mine. You're using a different version of the software, and you've got more channels showing than there were when I opened the file. The file as sent to me had 6 channels total, not 8, and I do remember that Channel F is the sub channel on the software version I'm using (2.93?), not G.

Grave · 02-01-2016, 01:33 PM

you grab DSP PC-Tool Version 2 and 2.93 is the last one but very old
try DSP PC-Tool Version 3 and 3.28d : Release date: 15.12.2015
http://www.audiotec-fischer.de/cms/l...c-tool-v3.html

you also need
Audiotec Fischers Sound Tuning Magazine - DSP Special Vol.1
Audiotec Fischers Sound Tuning Magazine - DSP Special Vol.2
Very instructive and i think easy to read for you.

a bit more difficult for french men with their poor english

Zooks527 · 02-01-2016, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grave

you grab DSP PC-Tool Version 2 and 2.93 is the last one but very old
try DSP PC-Tool Version 3 and 3.28d : Release date: 15.12.2015
http://www.audiotec-fischer.de/cms/l...c-tool-v3.html

The amp was shipped with direction to use 2.93 and not the newer versions. It didn't say why. I'm guessing it's because 3.28 is a beta and the last "official" release (3.06b) predates a version that addresses errors on the Match amp (3.15b beta release).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grave

you also need
Audiotec Fischers Sound Tuning Magazine - DSP Special Vol.1
Audiotec Fischers Sound Tuning Magazine - DSP Special Vol.2
Very instructive and i think easy to read for you.

Already have them and have read them, but thanks!

Nelson@BimmerTech · 02-01-2016, 09:22 PM

He has an F22 with HIFI. We Already have a tune for it. The one that we don't have is for vehicles with HK which i was finally was able to locate one locally to create a tune. I have an tuning scheduled for the 14th of this month.

Zooks527 · 02-02-2016, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelson@BimmerTech

He has an F22 with HIFI. We Already have a tune for it. The one that we don't have is for vehicles with HK which i was finally was able to locate one locally to create a tune. I have an tuning scheduled for the 14th of this month.

Outstanding! Patryk sent me the F22 HiFi last week, and it's pretty bright in the hk setup. I'll look forward to seeing that one!

And don't get me wrong. Even with the F30 tune, the amp was a great improvement over the stock hk setup. Once there's a specific tune for it, I expect it to improve even more.

Knightelf · 02-02-2016, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zooks527

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelson@BimmerTech

He has an F22 with HIFI. We Already have a tune for it. The one that we don't have is for vehicles with HK which i was finally was able to locate one locally to create a tune. I have an tuning scheduled for the 14th of this month.

Outstanding! Patryk sent me the F22 HiFi last week, and it's pretty bright in the hk setup. I'll look forward to seeing that one!

And don't get me wrong. Even with the F30 tune, the amp was a great improvement over the stock hk setup. Once there's a specific tune for it, I expect it to improve even more.

I took an F30 tune and played with the time delay. Seems ok for now. Looking forward to seeing more v3 tunes, now that v3 is "official". I also have the Focal ifbmw-s, but no idea how to tune the eq myself.

Zooks527 · 02-02-2016, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Knightelf

I took an F30 tune and played with the time delay. Seems ok for now. Looking forward to seeing more v3 tunes, now that v3 is "official". I also have the Focal ifbmw-s, but no idea how to tune the eq myself.

Now you probably don't see the side-to-side distances as being inverted.

That's because you're below the equator, right?

Nelson@BimmerTech · 02-02-2016, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zooks527

Outstanding! Patryk sent me the F22 HiFi last week, and it's pretty bright in the hk setup. I'll look forward to seeing that one!

And don't get me wrong. Even with the F30 tune, the amp was a great improvement over the stock hk setup. Once there's a specific tune for it, I expect it to improve even more.

I'm not surprised that it is. F22 Hifi doesn't have Tweeters so when we created the tune for we had to boost a lot of the upper frequencies to get a decent sounding tune.

Trust me it will. As soon as it done i will email it to you and post it here.

simoneves · 02-02-2016, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nelson@BimmerTech

He has an F22 with HIFI. We Already have a tune for it. The one that we don't have is for vehicles with HK which i was finally was able to locate one locally to create a tune. I have an tuning scheduled for the 14th of this month.

Excellent news!

02-01-2016, 01:23 AM	#1
th318 New Member 27 Rep 23 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Taiwan iTrader: (0)	Upgrade Options Dear all, Good day to you all. I would like to upgrade for my M235i. 676 HIFI LOUDSPEAKER SYSTEM This is what I found doing VIN decoder. I found alpine hifi upgrade and Focal IFBMW-S. Which one is better to go for? Thank you. Best wishes
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Grave Private 8 Rep 70 Posts Drives: 220D M-Sport Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: France iTrader: (0)	Focal IFBMW-S is better for two reasons : 1)you have Hifi 676 and your car has'nt base sound Notice Alpine hi-fi system retrofit kit : Retrofit kit number 65 41 2 293 994 These installation instructions do not apply to cars with the SA 674/SA 688 (Harman Kardon surround sound system) or the SA 676 (Hi-fi speaker system). You already have an amp in the trunk so you only have to change speakers. 2) don't know why, this kit does'nt appear in realoem for 235i With focal or any other kit, you need to change Emblem Alpine F2X 65132230426 (1 kit for left and right) Corner moulding, interior right 51332349058 Corner moulding, interior left 51332349059 (Before applying Emblem Alpine) and these fits very well and are cheaper than harman kardon because HK already went with tweeters inside. the diy is easy : my french tuto : http://bmw-one.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=34196 i don't use Focal but ETON B100W (german speakers) http://www.extremeaudio.de/gb/eton-b...n-b-100-w.html see pics in my tuto, nothing to adapt, nothing to cut.
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th318 New Member 27 Rep 23 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Taiwan iTrader: (0)	Thanks for sharing this to me. Then what about Focal vs HK? Which one do you think going to work well then? And, I found Bimmer Tech has Amp too. Recommend that upgrade?
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th318 New Member 27 Rep 23 Posts Drives: M235i Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Taiwan iTrader: (0)	Thanks grave. I did find out their website and has an option for 676 which should be for hi-fi system. And, you are right, Bimmer tech isn't cheap! Or it's pretty damn expensive I'm thinking to get maybe a Focal ifbmws, which is easier to get in Taiwan, and a HK amp upgrade or Bimmer tech maybe? Tune with USB, is that mean after I installed, i can use the sub port in car? Or I need to pull the amp out again and do the tune. Thanks in advance.
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Grave Private 8 Rep 70 Posts Drives: 220D M-Sport Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: France iTrader: (0)	you grab DSP PC-Tool Version 2 and 2.93 is the last one but very old try DSP PC-Tool Version 3 and 3.28d : Release date: 15.12.2015 http://www.audiotec-fischer.de/cms/l...c-tool-v3.html you also need Audiotec Fischers Sound Tuning Magazine - DSP Special Vol.1 Audiotec Fischers Sound Tuning Magazine - DSP Special Vol.2 Very instructive and i think easy to read for you. a bit more difficult for french men with their poor english
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Nelson@BimmerTech Banned 271 Rep 832 Posts Drives: 2014 M6 GC Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Orlando, FL iTrader: (0)	He has an F22 with HIFI. We Already have a tune for it. The one that we don't have is for vehicles with HK which i was finally was able to locate one locally to create a tune. I have an tuning scheduled for the 14th of this month.
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