11-28-2021, 11:21 AM | #23 | |
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But, are you actually attempting to draw a conclusion about an entire industry from one fuse in your one truck? I suggest a review of recent years' results of the JDPower Assembly Plant Quality data, where you will see a mix of plants located in Asia, US, Canada, Mexico, and Europe gaining top prizes. The building doesn't know where it is. The quality is a function of the capability of the management team, not any inherent untrainable inferiority of a country's people. Plants of all companies on all continents have successes and failures.
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Ridgelines are assembled in Lincoln, Alabama, so you can't blame that on Mexico. As for the pre-inspection checklist you mention (I've never seen this on the two Honda's I've purchased new), does it indicate that they checked the steering wheel heater? If so, I'd bring that to the dealer's attention, as they obviously have issues with their staff. If not, you can be assured that it's not part of their inspection.
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11-30-2021, 07:47 PM | #25 | |
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Mexico has NO corporation that engineers, designs or produces their own vehicles. Those are foreign corporations that have transplanted some of their operations there for profit motives, ie cheaper to make there than pay import duties, sorry that this distinction has escaped your understanding. For the matter, Mexcio has some mixed output in regard to quality control and it mostly reflects back to the parent corporation in regard to problems. Want to discuss the rampant GRAFT that is part of the Mexican culture there and how that factors into those factories? |
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12-01-2021, 09:30 AM | #26 | |
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Yes, manufacturers have shifted assembly to Mexico because it is more profitable to do so. That doesn't mean that Mexico has inherently bad quality control. If quality were that much of an issue in Mexico assembly plants, manufacturers would experience an increase in costs associated with warranty repairs, recalls and loss of sales, all of which would negate the reduced production cost and have a negative impact on profitability. A multitude of accountants from a number of manufacturers have all come to the same conclusion: it is more profitable to assemble cars in Mexico. The fact is that Mexico has vast experience in vehicle assembly for a number of manufacturers, all based in other countries (some of which design better products than others).
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12-01-2021, 10:19 AM | #27 | |
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Further, every assembly plant (yes, ask me how I know, please) has a staff of "resident engineers" who collaborate with manufacturing engineers also onsite to deal with any and all issues that arise during production. Resident engineering is a known industry job description that involves staff representing different vehicle systems to locate for 1-2 years at the plant to ensure immediacy of knowledge onsite. If one measures quality data from many plants in Mexico, in particular, the numbers prove how well this operational style works. I think we are dealing with a failed intellectual alibi, from a source apparently outside the industry, to provide cover for stereotypes, over-generalizations, and simple cultural bias. Moving on...
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FWIW the hood of my 21 M240 was not flush with the front bumper, I had to adjust the hooks two turns to get it flush and it was assembled in Leipzig.
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You simply can not eliminate the dealer in this situation. Dealers represent the car company. I really do not care who screwed up(does that sound better to you). The fact of the matter is about poor quality control. There is no excuse for this. |
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12-01-2021, 03:42 PM | #31 | |
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You can rant as you wish, but without understanding how the industry works, you achieve zero other than your own cortisol. I think we're done here.
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Took a look at the G42 M240i xDrive at the dealer today. I have to say the construction quality is first rate and by the looks of it the shut lines are the best on any BMW and certainly at least as good as Lexus can achieve.
Here is a photo of the difficult area where the bonnet / hood meets the fender / wing and top of the bumper cover. The shut lines are very tight, consistent and even. The German made cars (3 and 5 series) have noticeably wider gaps, as does the Mexican assembled 3-series which is the same as the German ones, as do the US made X-series vehicles. Basically the shut line tolerances are reflective of the series engineering and current standard and the G42 looks as though that is taken to a new height with it being the latest model from an engineering perspective: |
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It’s way better. |
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12-23-2021, 12:11 AM | #34 |
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You may prefer it, but the actual truth is there is no such objective entity as “better”, which is only a subjective human construct. In reality, things are either the same or different. That’s it. The rest is purely personal preference.
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OP: the last year of production of a given model is almost always much more reliable than the first year of its successor. As a rule of thumb, it is not a good idea to buy any model in its first year of production. So overall, you have bought a classic vehicle in its best iteration. Congratulations and many happy years of driving it!
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https://g42.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1873919 There's a reason this car is constantly compared to the M2 Comp and not the F22. |
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Good write up, such a bummer there isn’t a manual offered, this is a prime car for a stick! Last edited by MichaelL; 12-29-2021 at 08:52 PM.. |
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I think the ultimate 2-series to wait for is the G87 M2 with manual transmission and 450bhp. Likely the best drivers car of any 2-series and supposedly the last non-hybrid M-car.
If the leaked info is correct, this may be the last ICE car I buy, possibly in about 4 years time for an LCI version. |
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