[deathking]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

I just did a search on Cars.com and within 500 miles of Columbia, SC there were 121 M235/240 and only 2 were manual transmission. If you have a manual hold onto it.

This is what led to me ordering one

[Ajowhan]

Originally Posted by MikeT

As I've noted on here before, in contrast to some of you guys who say that you never see another 2-series coupe/'vert on the road, I see them all over, all the time in San Francisco. I'm guessing it must be at or near the top markets for this car in the U.S. if not the world. OTOH, I *never* see the GC in the wild here. Outside the dealer lot at BMW of SF, I've see a total of one (1) in the wild in the last year. If the GC is popular, that popularity must be in some other area.

This!

I see some f22/f23 on the road but have not actually seen a GC on the road in LA.

[helloelectro]

So does this help or hurt the value of these car in the long run. I don't plan on selling my 240 ever though. Lol.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by helloelectro

So does this help or hurt the value of these car in the long run. I don't plan on selling my 240 ever though. Lol.

The average BMW buyer leases a 3 Series or an X1, X2, or X3, so those "owners" aren't a factor.

If I had to guess, I imagine that it will help somewhat among the enthusiast community. Beyond that I doubt the F22 is noticed very much.

The thing about general BMW enthusiasts is that they're often focused on M-cars. In that regard, our cars don't count. As a former M-car owner, I believe that's a mistake, but that's just my opinion.

There's also the idea that F22s will become attractive candidates for conversion to track cars once they fall into the $10-15K range. My opinion is that anyone serious about tracking will always have better options than F22s. Limitations aside, a number of our cars are sure to be converted.

I bought an MT, RWD, non-sunroof car because that's what best met my needs, then and now. Hard-core enthusiasts will be attracted to my car if and when I choose to sell. (At present, I expect to keep it until I'm done driving myself – probably ~2030, if I make it that long.)

The only question I have is this: how many of the present (and future, if any) crop(s) of enthusiasts will be around when my car finally goes up for sale? All the hard-core guys I know are not exactly spring chickens. Between M-cars, P-cars, electrics, Miatas, muscle cars...there's just a lot of competition out there.

Whatever. I remain convinced I bought the best all-around BMW on the market; one that had all of the necessary upgrades available in the marketplace, and at reasonable prices; one that, despite its portly weight and less-communicative steering feedback, continues to delight when asked to perform (thanks to the LSD, coilovers, street/track alignment, upgraded rubber, etc.), and one that looks like a traditional BMW. I think you can tell that I'm pretty happy with the F22.

[bensanford]

BMW had a driving demo event in this area a few months ago, and I had a chance to drive a new 2-series grand coupe, and also a regular 2-series immediately afterwards in a mini-autocross-like circuit. The regular 2 series just felt much better. Also, there is just something about the lines and shape of the grand coupe that doesn't look right to me. Maybe it's just trying to fit 4 doors into a "coupe".

[USA-RET]

Originally Posted by dradernh

It's the least expensive non-SUV BMW; with four doors, I'd imagine that's enough to make it popular. Buyers don't care about the underlying architecture – the Roundel is what matters. My 2¢, of course.

I agree. It is a for all intents a Mini Clubman which isn't a bad vehicle. Reviews of the little Gran Coupe are, for the most part positive too. As stated above, most buyers couldn't care less that it isn't the "ultimate Driving Machine" compared to its kin. It is peppy, well appointed and serves a segment of the buying public that wants a BMW w/ 4 doors at a semi- reasonable price.

Reviews indicate that car is fun to toss around and is quite fast 0-60/1/4 mile. Negatives are few overall.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

I agree. It is a for all intents a Mini Clubman which isn't a bad vehicle. Reviews of the little Gran Coupe are, for the most part positive too. As stated above, most buyers couldn't care less that it isn't the "ultimate Driving Machine" compared to its kin. It is peppy, well appointed and serves a segment of the buying public that wants a BMW w/ 4 doors at a semi- reasonable price.

Reviews indicate that car is fun to toss around and is quite fast 0-60/1/4 mile. Negatives are few overall.

I think if the quality is reasonably high, the 2 Series Gran Coupe is a good option for buyers looking for what this kind and level of vehicle has to offer.

[LuvMyE92]

The wife determined that she had to have a new F22 M240i because she is so put off with the new 4 series grill. We (or at least, me) don't know what the new 2 will look like, but one can assume that this is the new BMW design language, and she hates it.

It wasn't until early March that I discovered that (as noted above here) you can no longer order a 2 series coupe. So we went looking for one on the lots, hampered by the fact that she had to have it in blue, it had to be a 240, it had to have an automatic and preferably leather and premium. Nothing on the East Coast, and we ended up transferring one out of Reno Nevada, which cost me a pretty penny in shipping.

It has arrived and we get it Thursday. She's excited. I had an M2, so I'm familiar with the platform, and as the 3 is too big for her and the Gran Coupe as noted above is not really for the enthusiast, so it limited our choices.

If I behave myself, she'll let me drive it occasionally, probably only after I wash it for her or take it in for service visits.

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by dradernh

Hard-core enthusiasts will be attracted to my car if and when I choose to sell. (At present, I expect to keep it until I'm done driving myself – probably ~2030, if I make it that long.)

The only question I have is this: how many of the present (and future, if any) crop(s) of enthusiasts will be around when my car finally goes up for sale?

I was going to say that as a kind-of-lightweight 2 series with a manual, your car will be a unicorn and desirable to the enthusiast. Don't give up on the Millenials, some of them may actually like to drive. None that I've met, LOL, but at cars & coffee there still seems to be an active group of younger folks.

Then I read your post again, and I see that your target is 2030. Yeah, by then, a 5 second ICE may very likely be overshadowed by 3 second electric Camrys and Accords, and only neanderthals who are willing to pay $8/gallon for gasoline will be driving non-autonomous "cars".

So, enjoy it while you've got it and don't worry about resale.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

I was going to say that as a kind-of-lightweight 2 series with a manual, your car will be a unicorn and desirable to the enthusiast. Don't give up on the Millenials, some of them may actually like to drive. None that I've met, LOL, but at cars & coffee there still seems to be an active group of younger folks.

Then I read your post again, and I see that your target is 2030. Yeah, by then, a 5 second ICE may very likely be overshadowed by 3 second electric Camrys and Accords, and only neanderthals who are willing to pay $8/gallon for gasoline will be driving non-autonomous "cars".

So, enjoy it while you've got it and don't worry about resale.

I've met younger drivers at track events who are definitely into discovering how to make their cars go quickly around a road course. They're just as enthusiastic and committed as the track junkies that came before them.

I did a Cars and Coffee outside Boston in April, 2010. At the time, I had a trick car (an E30 325is with an S38B35 stuffed into it along with a bunch of hard-core, track-oriented components), and it drew its share of knowledgeable and appreciative attention. That was fun, and I enjoyed checking out the other cars (there were a LOT of them!), but it wasn't really my scene. Still...hanging out with car people...it was a good spring-is-finally-in-the-air day.

What I don't know is if there are enough younger track drivers coming along to replace all the current drivers aged, say, 45 and up. The NASA people, who are running a profit-oriented business, will know the answer to that. We'll see what happens, but if there aren't sufficient new drivers joining us in this hobby, then the tracks won't be open for business unless prices rise substantially. It could turn into a hobby generally affordable only for M-car / P-car owners and up. I think that would be a shame, but things change with time and life goes on.

Yeah, the stop-light grand prix...that's for sure a different game. As for gas prices, I recently calculated that I could handle $20/gallon gasoline given how little I'm driving my car (and not just because of the pandemic). If gas ever does go that high, there won't be many ICE cars on the road, that's for sure.

As for resale values, my Tundras had that locked-down to beat the band. Depreciation wasn't even a part of Tundra conversations. Every one of my BMWs...not so much!

[HerM2C]

Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

The wife determined that she had to have a new F22 M240i because she is so put off with the new 4 series grill. We (or at least, me) don't know what the new 2 will look like, but one can assume that this is the new BMW design language, and she hates it.

It wasn't until early March that I discovered that (as noted above here) you can no longer order a 2 series coupe. So we went looking for one on the lots, hampered by the fact that she had to have it in blue, it had to be a 240, it had to have an automatic and preferably leather and premium. Nothing on the East Coast, and we ended up transferring one out of Reno Nevada, which cost me a pretty penny in shipping.

It has arrived and we get it Thursday. She's excited.

Congrats on getting the car that she wanted!

We looked for an M240i with a 6speed manual in December and could not find any in inventory. We were recommended to put in an order and see if we could get it built, but with the lockdown in Germany, we weren't too hopeful for that. Waited about 2 months and didn't get any response for the order.

The boss-lady test drove a 230i 6-speed and was very underwhelmed by the engine, even though it is (on paper) pretty similar to her 330i. We looked online for any M240i 6-speeds, and there were some in coral red leather (pass!) and a couple in black leather, but the dealers were unwilling to transfer.

I was trying to get her to consider buying a coral red leather and then swapping everything out.... because it just was against all odd to obtain a black leather interior / white, grey, or black exterior, 6-speed manual M240i.

She didn't want to rip out a brand new interior....

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by HerM2C

... but the dealers were unwilling to transfer.

I found one in California, but the dealer would not sell out of state. I asked why not and the sales person replied "Company Policy".

Then she asks me, "are you going to finance or lease?"

I said, "what does it matter if I can't buy it."

Crickets. "Oh, yeah. Well, I can check."

Some people just don't listen. Or think before they speak.

You'd think they'd want to move a unit, who cares where it ends up?

Like yours, HerM2C my wife would not compromise on that coral red. It's <cough> unique.

[nickgsa60]

The convertible is no longer on the BMW USA website at all.

With that said, I have a dealer friend with an allocation for one. PM me if you'd like his contact info -- and one of the last f23s ever to be built

[HogFan760]

I started my search in late December and I couldn’t find one. I wanted white with red and manual. I found 3 on the west coast and it as impossible to deal with them. They were jerks about the car and acted like the m240 was god’s gift and I was lucky to even be talking to them. Bad vibes. So I kept looking and decided I’d even go CPO. I looked daily for a few weeks and the one I got popped up. Dealer was an ass, but the deal was right. Not my ideal combo (MG with Oyster) but now that I have it, I really like it. It’s an ‘18 with only 21K on the clock so it’s all good .

[Ajowhan]

Originally Posted by nickgsa60

The convertible is no longer on the BMW USA website at all.

With that said, I have a dealer friend with an allocation for one. PM me if you'd like his contact info -- and one of the last f23s ever to be built

Wow, better jump on this, the f23s are discontinued for 2021, Im surprised they still have an allocation for one.

[babaikram]

Are we saying the m240i is the last M performance 2 series coupe with in line 6 ICE engine that would be produced by BMW? I am asking that: the G series 2 series coupe would only be 4 cylinder apart from M2?

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by babaikram

Are we saying the m240i is the last M performance 2 series coupe with in line 6 ICE engine that would be produced by BMW? I am asking that: the G series 2 series coupe would only be 4 cylinder apart from M2?

No

[cristo]

Both GCs are 4 cylinder.
The M240i and M2 are 6 cylinder.

[TheRas900]

Such a bummer they discontinued the F22 & F23 so early in the year. I've been debating an F23 6MT order and so have some others.

[harma24]

Originally Posted by TheRas900

Such a bummer they discontinued the F22 & F23 so early in the year. I've been debating an F23 6MT order and so have some others.

Sorry to hear that. My wife pulled the trigger on an F23 about 18 months ago now. That was about a year earlier than we had planned because I was concerned about missing out if we waited too long.

[raddoc]

Sold my '20 230i XDrive 'vert to Carvana last month as '21 240i MT6 'vert is due for production last week in April. Should be here in PA by early June. Knowing the way BMW (and other makers) are discontinuing MTs I took the chance that this F23 will be among the last of the better handling affordable BMWs. Consumer Reports still places the M240i handling right between 911 & 'vette, so no doubt this will be a keeper.

[Vitacura]

My current M240i lease is up this summer and my plan was to order a new one before production ended. I hadn't kept up with the latest news and now that I started looking into ordering it.. I'm too late. Thinking of buying out my lease now, it's a great car!