New 2022 BMW 2 Series Coupé to make debut

Gilles79 · 06-25-2021, 12:35 PM

Finally!!

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...debut-goodwood

MarkDemma · 06-26-2021, 08:23 AM

The good news is that they won't try to put a completely ridiculous grill on it.

Bad news is that with the M240 variant coming in just AWD there will almost certainly be no manual option available unless you wanna pay $20k more for the full M. Also not a fan of the newer digital instrument panel.

Still, things could have been way worse. Guess I'll have to save my pennies.

nuk3s · 06-26-2021, 10:29 AM

I don't read too much into the Euro centric press releases. They are making it in North America and, from their own sales figures, mostly for the North American market. Give it a model year or two and I think we will see a RWD 6MT option.

MikeT · 06-26-2021, 02:43 PM

An AWD-only m240 doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, as the m235/m240s I see on the road here in California are mostly NOT x-drives. As such, this wouldn't seem to be a case of BMW standardizing something based on its extremely high take-rate. Nevertheless, they have taken the x-drive approach with the new m440, so I guess we'll see...

Personally, I'm happy with RWD and probably wouldn't be interested in an AWD next-gen m240. The jury is still out on my interest level in the g42/g87. I'm intrigued to see what they're going to do, and, with all the impending electrification, this might be the last hurrah for a type of car that I really like, so it's a possibility. But I need to know more about specs and colors and reviews... and, of course, will ultimately need to drive the thing myself.

dradernh · 06-26-2021, 03:06 PM

I look forward to hearing how much curb weight it has gained, if any.

blkreaper · 06-27-2021, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeT

An AWD-only m240 doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, as the m235/m240s I see on the road here in California are mostly NOT x-drives. As such, this wouldn't seem to be a case of BMW standardizing something based on its extremely high take-rate. Nevertheless, they have taken the x-drive approach with the new m440, so I guess we'll see...

Personally, I'm happy with RWD and probably wouldn't be interested in an AWD next-gen m240. The jury is still out on my interest level in the g42/g87. I'm intrigued to see what they're going to do, and, with all the impending electrification, this might be the last hurrah for a type of car that I really like, so it's a possibility. But I need to know more about specs and colors and reviews... and, of course, will ultimately need to drive the thing myself.

I have no interest in AWD either but I don’t think we can base the decision on what people in California drive. There are way more states with snow that would benefit.

That being said, I was holding off for the new model but with no RWD and no manual, I’ll probably get a current model.

TAZ007 · 06-27-2021, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blkreaper

I have no interest in AWD either but I don’t think we can base the decision on what people in California drive. There are way more states with snow that would benefit.

That being said, I was holding off for the new model but with no RWD and no manual, I’ll probably get a current model.

You don't have much longer to order or find one. They will most likely do a RWD and manual for 2023/24.

e30jim · 06-28-2021, 01:03 PM

https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-c...emiere-at-fos/

Official press release from Goodwood. Just saw it this morning.

CP911 · 06-28-2021, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blkreaper

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeT

An AWD-only m240 doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me, as the m235/m240s I see on the road here in California are mostly NOT x-drives. As such, this wouldn't seem to be a case of BMW standardizing something based on its extremely high take-rate. Nevertheless, they have taken the x-drive approach with the new m440, so I guess we'll see...

Personally, I'm happy with RWD and probably wouldn't be interested in an AWD next-gen m240. The jury is still out on my interest level in the g42/g87. I'm intrigued to see what they're going to do, and, with all the impending electrification, this might be the last hurrah for a type of car that I really like, so it's a possibility. But I need to know more about specs and colors and reviews... and, of course, will ultimately need to drive the thing myself.

I have no interest in AWD either but I don't think we can base the decision on what people in California drive. There are way more states with snow that would benefit.

That being said, I was holding off for the new model but with no RWD and no manual, I'll probably get a current model.

I recently had a 530i RWD loaner over this past winter while our X7 xDrive40i was getting serviced, and I was shocked to find it handled better and was more confidence-inspiring on snow-covered roads than our X7 is. The skinnier tires cut right through the snow and slush, and it actually accelerated on slight uphill grades with greater ease than our X7 did! The X7 veers off course with its wider, "floatier" tires and slides around on the packed slush and ice more than the 530i did. I learned right then and there that tire selection is more important than AWD vs. RWD. Besides, AWD has nothing to do with turning or stopping, which is where safety is won or lost.

I think BMW would be making a huge mistake by offering the M240i in AWD only. I really enjoyed my RWD 2018 M240i 6-speed while I had it…

dradernh · 06-28-2021, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CP911

...tire selection is more important than AWD vs. RWD. Besides, AWD has nothing to do with turning or stopping, which is where safety is won or lost.

^ This.

My experience is that AWD and 4WD make the most difference when getting going from a standstill on a slippery surface. The small difference AWD can otherwise make (small to this driver, that is) never mattered to me during normal driving conditions. A WRX STI might have changed my mind, though.

Gilles79 · 06-30-2021, 04:48 PM

Some more recent spy photos:

https://www.msn.com/en-in/autos/news...age=AALoP1T|17

Interesting showing two models, both with dual exhausts - and different front ends (lower fascia??) We'll see next week!

MikeT · 07-03-2021, 09:43 AM

Not sure if this is legit, but it does appear to match up fairly well with pretty much everything else we've seen with or without camo:

SW19 · 07-03-2021, 09:54 AM

am3r1ka posted an actual pic in another thread.

It looks really good.The rear fender flares look almost as big as the the current M2.Looking forward to the full reveal on Thursday.

freakystyly · 07-03-2021, 10:47 AM

Looking like it inherited a couple styling points from the Z4 and thankfully not the M3. Like the wider grilles and single wider headlights. Not sure how I feel about it but it's not terrible.

I noticed one small let down for the F22/3 was wheel well sizing, I think the 1 series had a similar problem. If this model's showing some wider fenders there's hope it equals wider rubber as well.

As for AWD, I think most models in Canada are sold as Xdrive now. I'd be interested to see the actual numbers. I know Mercs are a much higher percentage, and obviously Audis though.

RWD is doable in the snow. It is definitely more fun (to me) anyways, maybe I'm just a masochist at the snow covered stop lights. Winter tires will always be on when the flakes are falling of course.

aerobod · 07-03-2021, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SW19

am3r1ka posted an actual pic in another thread.

It looks really good.The rear fender flares look almost as big as the the current M2.Looking forward to the full reveal on Thursday.

That car, if not another photoshop, has the ///M specific mirrors with the little “wings” on them that have never been fitted at the factory to a non-///M car, so logically it would be an M2, but probably just another photoshop.

JustChris · 07-03-2021, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by aerobod

Quote:

Originally Posted by SW19

am3r1ka posted an actual pic in another thread.

It looks really good.The rear fender flares look almost as big as the the current M2.Looking forward to the full reveal on Thursday.

That car, if not another photoshop, has the ///M specific mirrors with the little "wings" on them that have never been fitted at the factory to a non-///M car, so logically it would be an M2, but probably just another photoshop.

Incorrect these days I'm afraid.

The recently released X3/4 M40i and 4Gran Coupe all HAVE the M car style wing mirrors, these days. Thus highly possibly this is the M240i.

Welcome to 2021 BMW wing motorway.

Gilles79 · 07-03-2021, 01:46 PM

The recent spy photos do not show M-style wing mirrors. Presumably slides
1-16 are M240i photos.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/autos/news...age=AALoP1T|17

Moflow · 07-03-2021, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SW19

am3r1ka posted an actual pic in another thread.

It looks really good.The rear fender flares look almost as big as the the current M2.Looking forward to the full reveal on Thursday.

Looks nice. The next gen A3 has big ol rear fenders as well, I think manufacturers are discovering that people really like the look on sporty cars.

MikeT · 07-03-2021, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilles79

The recent spy photos do not show M-style wing mirrors. Presumably slides
1-16 are M240i photos.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/autos/news...age=AALoP1T|17

True.
And yet there are other G42 spy shots that appear to show wing mirrors.
https://min.news/en/auto/0747dae3873...550a4beec.html
(Note that isn't an M2 as it doesn't have quad exhaust).

Based on the fact that images of different style mirrors are floating around, I'll speculate that the wing-style will be offered as part of some sort of "performance" trim package.
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Sportstick · 07-03-2021, 05:58 PM

Forum folks get very caught up in a pointy mirror here, or a fender bulge there, but if this is the actual car, it is quite evolutionary...a very minor design freshening. I think that is a good thing, as the 2 Series is the closest product BMW produces that aligns with the brand heritage. BMW may also have realized that, and kept one vehicle line for classical brand aficionados, versus trying to apply their new design language with beaver-tooth grilles, etc. I'm sure we'll spill lots of electrons debating these apparently minor exterior design changes from the F to G generations, but in the "real world" (non-forum buyers), "civilians" may have trouble telling them apart on the road.

MikeT · 07-03-2021, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportstick

but if this is the actual car, it is quite evolutionary...a very minor design freshening. I think that is a good thing, as the 2 Series is the closest product BMW produces that aligns with the brand heritage. BMW may also have realized that, and kept one vehicle line for classical brand aficionados, versus trying to apply their new design language with beaver-tooth grilles, etc. .

Agreed. It seems to me that the G42/87 is shaping up to be a "reward the faithful" kinda car.

Saab Story · 07-04-2021, 08:25 AM

I’m excited for this car. BMW seems to be the only automaker that offers a small 6 cyl turbo coupe with decent handling in this price range. Each time I cross shopped the 2 series with other cars like the Audi S3, I always ran back to the m235i and m240i. The sound alone makes it worth it.

Paying an extra ~2K for AWD will be a waste for me but in this price range it still seems like the best option.

The lack of manual trans is also ok with me. I currently have a 6mt m240i and want to get back to auto. Manual in the two series feels notchy. It’s as if there are rubber bands stuck in every gear and you have to jam it in.

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