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      07-18-2019, 11:21 PM   #265
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I am curious who the ex PM might be. British or Canadian
If I was to venture a guess I'd say Tony Blair. He's a greasy little f.
You know now that you say it I could see that!! But seriously I think guessing about this stuff is kinda wrong even ppl here guessing Clinton or trump involved is wrong all it does is say who you personally think is sleaze guy but doesn't follow facts so maybee better to wait and find out (if ever!!)
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Personally, I'd cool the engines on that Vanity Fair piece. Vanity Fair?
I can't find anyone else running that storyline. Not to say it's fake but it's pretty blaring and no one is jumping on it.
Note the one word in the article: 'could'
I think everyone knows it is most likely the case but until formal documents are released I'd chill.
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Personally, I'd cool the engines on that Vanity Fair piece. Vanity Fair?
I can't find anyone else running that storyline. Not to say it's fake but it's pretty blaring and no one is jumping on it.
Note the one word in the article: 'could'
I think everyone knows it is most likely the case but until formal documents are released I'd chill.
Vanity Fair has actually had some very good reporting on some very important issues over the years. They are not some flash in the pan small market tabloid. They actually have a very large readership at a circulation of 1,176,572 as of 2018. Compare that to the "failing" NYT at 2,900,000, The New Yorker (a sister publication also from Conde Naste) at 1,259,055, and the Washington Post at 1,000,000...they are not doing too bad .

And this is not the first time this has been reported. The 2nd Circuit U S Court of Appeals ordered the docs released on July 3rd and it was reported on then by various news sources around that time. What has been happening since then is a back and forth as to what docs should be released and what should not. And the court has cautioned that just because something is in a court document does not necessarily make it true (an example of this is a sworn deposition. A party can be deposed under oath and name someone as being involved and that does not mean the person was actually involved (people lie (gasp!) and people can be mistaken)). I am sure that whomever's names are released there will be a lot of digging to see what can be made of it.
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Thanks for the insight. I don't remember seeing it but I'm all for it.
I would have thought the big gun outlets would be refreshing the story.
I'm guessing the person to girl information is being lined up to her age at the time. That could be tricky.
I don't know if every girl was 'underage', and if they were 18+ at the time of any possible act, then the investigators might have to put them in a separate stack.
Just throwing spitballs.
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Thanks for the insight. I don't remember seeing it but I'm all for it.
I would have thought the big gun outlets would be refreshing the story.
I'm guessing the person to girl information is being lined up to her age at the time. That could be tricky.
I don't know if every girl was 'underage', and if they were 18+ at the time of any possible act, then the investigators might have to put them in a separate stack.
Just throwing spitballs.
If I recall in the original case the FBI identified something like 40 or more underage victims.

It is my understanding that the documents being unsealed here are related to the civil case (not the criminal case against Epstein) where one of Epstein's victim's, Virginia Roberts Guffrie, sued Epstein's alleged "pimp", Ghislaine Maxwell, for defamation back in 2015 and the case was settled in 2017. Here is the link to her affidavit (not her deposition) where she names the people she had sex with (Epstein, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz, Jean Luc Brunel, and Maxwell) (note that she said she saw Clinton, but denies having sex with him nor seeing him having sex with anyone...which does not mean he did not have sex with anyone, just not her).

https://www.scribd.com/doc/267173868...dium=affiliate

The 2,000 pages of documents are the summary judgement docs. The rest of the case history (well more than the 2,000 pages) are being reviewed for potential release as well. There still may be additional appeals due to some people not wanting their names released.

Of course, there could very well be elements of the criminal case of Epstein's included in the civil case since they are interwoven.

As a side note, Guffrie recently sued Dershowitz for defamation as well.
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"Likely within days, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will release almost 2,000 pages of documents that could reveal sexual abuse by “numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders,” according to the three-judge panel's ruling. The documents were filed during a civil defamation lawsuit brought by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre, a former Mar-a-Lago locker-room attendant, against Epstein’s former girlfriend and alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell. “Nobody who was around Epstein a lot is going to have an easy time now. It’s all going to come out,” said Giuffre’s lawyer David Boies. Another person involved with litigation against Epstein told me: “It’s going to be staggering, the amount of names. It’s going to be contagion numbers.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019...more-grotesque

https://www.scribd.com/doc/267173868...dium=affiliate


A little more information on this from Virginia Roberts Giuffre's affidavit that I linked above. I am sure her sworn deposition goes into even more detail.

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In addition to constantly finding underage girls to satisfy their personal desires,Epstein and Maxwell also got girls for Epstein’s friends and acquaintances. Epstein specifically told me that the reason for him doing this was so that they would “owe him,” they would “be in his pocket,” and he would “have something on them.” I understood him to mean that when someone was in his pocket, they owed him favors. I also understood that Epstein thought he could get leniency if he was ever caught doing anything illegal, or more so that he could escape trouble altogether

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Brunel ran some kind of modeling agency and appeared to have an arrangement with the U.S. Government where he could get passports or other travel documents for young girls. He would then bring these young girls (girls ranging in age from 12 to 24) to the United States for sexual purposes and farm them out to his friends, including Epstein


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In 2011,two FBI agents, called me in Australia and then came to meet me. They met me at the U.S. Consulate in Sidney. They seemed to be very professional and hard working. I thought to myself, “Wow, these people will do the right thing against the bad guys and protect me.”

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The agents were mainly focused on Epstein but while there I provided them some information about others who were involved in illegal acts as well. I was aware that a false statement to these law enforcement officers was a crime and I told the truth –giving them the information that I could recall about the individuals they inquired about

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Epstein also trafficked me for sexual purposes to many other powerful men, including politicians and powerful business executives. Epstein required me to describe the sexual events that I had with these men presumably so that he could potentially blackmail them. I am still very fearful of these men today

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It has been reported that this last part is how Epstein has accumulated much of his wealth over the years. Whether or not true remains to be seen.
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^ oh, yeah, I see suicide in her very near future.
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^ oh, yeah, I see suicide in her very near future.
For "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton?
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Interesting theory on where Epstein's money came from

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...857491968.html
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Interesting theory on where Epstein's money came from

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...857491968.html
Yes, Virginia Roberts Giuffre alluded to things along this line in her affidavit in her 2015 lawsuit against Maxwell. I think I also read another story on this that reference something along these lines as far back as the early 2000's. In any event, he has a very shady financial past.
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Epstein not only owned little st James, he also owns great St James. Purchased in 2016, he recently presented construction plans for the island.

That roof looks mighty familiar. Must be building another “gym”.
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I wonder how much press this will get:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/flight-lo...eviously-known

https://nypost.com/2019/07/21/ghisla...pstein-report/
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True but they may have perfected the art!!




Or so I heard from someone...I'm not saying this myself. Please don't suicide me!!
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When first we practice to deceive
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FBI agent Salvatore Cincelli who previously investigated the Clintons committed public suicide last week in the middle of a crowded nightclub dance floor.

“According to his resume, Cincinelli was a Supervisory Special Agent in the FBI’s Complex Financial Crimes Unit. He managed the FBI’s financial crimes program for the Northeast region, and wwas a detailee from the FBI to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC). Before working at FBI Headquarters, SSA Cincinelli led financial crime investigations in the FBI’s flagship New York Field Office. SSA Cincinelli conducted investigations involving market manipulation, corporate & accounting fraud, Ponzi schemes, money laundering, insider trading, and antitrust violations, among others. SSA Cincinelli worked as a fixed-income trader prior to joining the FBI, and held an MBA in Quantitative Finance from NYU’s Stern School of Business.”

Is anyone out there actually buying this bullshit?
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FBI agent Salvatore Cincelli who previously investigated the Clintons committed public suicide last week in the middle of a crowded nightclub dance floor.

“According to his resume, Cincinelli was a Supervisory Special Agent in the FBI’s Complex Financial Crimes Unit. He managed the FBI’s financial crimes program for the Northeast region, and wwas a detailee from the FBI to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC). Before working at FBI Headquarters, SSA Cincinelli led financial crime investigations in the FBI’s flagship New York Field Office. SSA Cincinelli conducted investigations involving market manipulation, corporate & accounting fraud, Ponzi schemes, money laundering, insider trading, and antitrust violations, among others. SSA Cincinelli worked as a fixed-income trader prior to joining the FBI, and held an MBA in Quantitative Finance from NYU’s Stern School of Business.”

Is anyone out there actually buying this bullshit?

Wtf?
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Google his name with Austin American Statesman, local paper, and...nothing.

Suicide on the dance floor?
Didn't make the local news paper?
Bar owner refusing comment?
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