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      07-17-2019, 01:31 PM   #2157
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I don't have a horse in this race, but TSLA shorters have had a rough month.
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but a great seven month run going into this month.
if not covering going into this run up then that is stupidity on top of greed but in the mean time it's time to celebrate:

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Ouch.
Hope the "shorters" didn't cover yesterday.
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Rivals the best from Detroit, circa 1975
Well, there was a lot of drug use back in the day, on the assembly line...
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Wow. That would have gone a different way if it had been my house. At a minimum, all four tires would have been flat, the car certainly wouldn’t have stayed clean, and it would have been towed to an impound yard.
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What a couple of jackasses. No apology?! Why didn't they just plug in at their friend's house? Fuck these people.
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What a couple of jackasses. No apology?! Why didn't they just plug in at their friend's house? Fuck these people.
I would have loved for someone to put a metal tire boot on that car
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I am yet to meet a person under 20 years old who doesn't think my Model 3 is the best car ever.

In 3-5 years they'll be getting out of college and snapping up 3s and Ys like hot cakes.

In 10 years they'll be looking at all ICE cars like we used to look at Crown Vics and Roadmasters in the 90s.
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I am yet to meet a person under 20 years old who doesn't think my Model 3 is the best car ever.

In 3-5 years they'll be getting out of college and snapping up 3s and Ys like hot cakes.

In 10 years they'll be looking at all ICE cars like we used to look at Crown Vics and Roadmasters in the 90s.
That might be true. Then again maybe not.... Sometimes things don't follow the most probable trajectory, or the one that we think makes the most sense.
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That might be true. Then again maybe not.... Sometimes things don't follow the most probable trajectory, or the one that we think makes the most sense.
People don't change. 530iDriver will never buy a Tesla. Today's 20 year olds will never stop loving EVs.
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That might be true. Then again maybe not.... Sometimes things don't follow the most probable trajectory, or the one that we think makes the most sense.
People don't change. 530iDriver will never buy a Tesla. Today's 20 year olds will never stop loving EVs.
The strange thing is, in this locale (Boston area), those driving the models S and 3, generally, appear to be aged 60s+. I see a range of ages driving other makes and models of EVs, but not typically the Tesla sedans. That might be due to cost, or plenty of other factors not related to general appeal. One thing is certain, those driving Tesla model S and 3 around here don't appear to do so for their performance potential. I rarely even see them in the passing lane. These are just casual observations though.

I also disagree with your statement. People change makes and models of car all the time. In fact, it's rare that someone stays solely with any one make of car exclusively, let alone model.
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I am yet to meet a person under 20 years old who doesn't think my Model 3 is the best car ever.

In 3-5 years they'll be getting out of college and snapping up 3s and Ys like hot cakes.

In 10 years they'll be looking at all ICE cars like we used to look at Crown Vics and Roadmasters in the 90s.
You seem to get on a wad if someone criticizes your beloved Model 3. It is a very nice car in many respects but as Rich Rebuilds puts it, it is far from perfect.

The interior material quality is a step up from their pricier Model S and X offerings but still crude in comparison to other offerings in the segment/price bracket.

The sample at the Tesla showroom did have some misaligned panels but the paint application was even and pretty good for what I could see.

At those prices I am very picky when it comes to the interior and fit/finish quality.

Hopefully by 2024, when I plan to be in the market, the EV choices will be far and wide.

And most millennials and younger generations are not that interested in car ownership and particularly expensive vehicles be it Tesla or BMW. Younger generations are more interested in experiences (Travel) than expensive high ticket items. There will be exceptions of course, but by far and large cars are heading the way of full automation (Transportation pods) and those few interested in having a car of their own will opt for a subscription model.

By the time they graduate from college there will be far more EV offerings and direct competition to Tesla assuming the company survives in its current form and management in the next 5-10 years.

And as much you wish for it, ICE is not going anywhere for decades at least not until EV and other forms of alternate propulsion become viable and usable to vast swaths of the population. EVs are likely great urban vehicles but still either out of reach or impractical to a large segment of the population. Battery technology, ultra fast recharging capability and production costs are just not there yet.
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Problem is - infrastructure is not there. It does not matter how good the car is if you can not use it.
Majority of those young people live in the city and share apartments. There is no way to charge those cars in the city neighborhoods, where you fight for parking. And that is in wealthy America
Europe and Asia are worse.
Most offices do not have the chargers either.
Unless some company introduces swap-able batteries at every gas station - it is not happening. Most people with Tesla who I know - HAVE 2 CARS.- tesla for show and regular car for trips.

So I will take my 340 for now - that you. Ev is not even in consideration set.
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The strange thing is, in this locale (Boston area), those driving the models S and 3, generally, appear to be aged 60s+. I see a range of ages driving other makes and models of EVs, but not typically the Tesla sedans. That might be due to cost, or plenty of other factors not related to general appeal.
There's obviously the affordability factor. Older people on average can afford more expensive cars than recent college graduates. S is a baby boomer car in that regard and also in its features and behavior. 3 is targeted at a much younger population, but many of the people who could afford a 3 just don't realize it. One of my daughters just happens to have most of her friends from families with lower incomes than ours, and they all see my 3 as an unattainable status symbol - while their parents drive $30K SUVs that easily burn $300/mo in gas, which means their 5yr TCO is right on par with my 3 LR DM. So Tesla, with its stubborn refusal to advertise, basically makes the ability to properly budget one's money a prerequisite, and ends up with older better educated customer base.
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One thing is certain, those driving Tesla model S and 3 around here don't appear to do so for their performance potential. I rarely even see them in the passing lane. These are just casual observations though.
Seems like you don't drive where and when I do.
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I also disagree with your statement. People change makes and models of car all the time. In fact, it's rare that someone stays solely with any one make of car exclusively, let alone model.
ICE -> EV is a bigger jump psychologically than just changing a brand.
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You seem to get on a wad if someone criticizes your beloved Model 3.
No, you were just too funny with your "the lid refused to close" for me not to respond. You're supposed to push it lightly into place, the car even tells you with a display warning not to hit it hard if you try.
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And most millennials and younger generations are not that interested in car ownership and particularly expensive vehicles be it Tesla or BMW. Younger generations are more interested in experiences (Travel) than expensive high ticket items. There will be exceptions of course, but by far and large cars are heading the way of full automation (Transportation pods) and those few interested in having a car of their own will opt for a subscription model.
Even if they won't own their cars outright - their preferences have already been established.
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And as much you wish for it, ICE is not going anywhere for decades at least not until EV and other forms of alternate propulsion become viable and usable to vast swaths of the population. EVs are likely great urban vehicles but still either out of reach or impractical to a large segment of the population. Battery technology, ultra fast recharging capability and production costs are just not there yet.
In 10 years, the prevalence of ICE cars in a given country or area will be seen as an evidence of its lagging economy.
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Problem is - infrastructure is not there. It does not matter how good the car is if you can not use it.
Majority of those young people live in the city and share apartments. There is no way to charge those cars in the city neighborhoods, where you fight for parking. And that is in wealthy America
Europe and Asia are worse.
Most offices do not have the chargers either.
Unless some company introduces swap-able batteries at every gas station - it is not happening. Most people with Tesla who I know - HAVE 2 CARS.- tesla for show and regular car for trips.

So I will take my 340 for now - that you. Ev is not even in consideration set.
True, my EV is not my primary car. I think, though, with faster and faster charging technology, there will be a day where a 10 min charge to 80% will get a couple hundred miles. Charging stations will be as common as gas stations.

Another benefit would be less oil on the road. No ICE, no oil to leaks. Not to mention brake dust, which is often overlooked. With regenerative braking the way it is, I barely use my brakes on my hour long commute. That has to have a significant impact on brake dust pollution.
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Wow. That would have gone a different way if it had been my house. At a minimum, all four tires would have been flat, the car certainly wouldn’t have stayed clean, and it would have been towed to an impound yard.
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I would have loved for someone to put a metal tire boot on that car
I had some what of a similar situation happen to me. Not that any utilities were being stolen.

I went out to my vacation home one weekend. I get there after a 2.5 or so hour drive. It's some what late as I pull up to my house. At first, I thought I was so tired I pulled up to the wrong house. I then realized someone parked in my driveway blocking access to my garage. I get out of my car. Look around to see if maybe the owner of the car would happen to come back for their car. After a few minutes and pondering if I should just call a tow truck, a guy comes out of the house directly across from me on the other side of the street. He's walking a dog. I go to him and ask if he knew who owned that car. He goes...oh it's mine.

He gets the keys goes over and backs the car out of my driveway. In the process of doing this, the jerk is tossing attitude around as if I was the problem in inconveniencing him. No apology. No nothing.

I talk to some other neighbors and apparently he's done it at least once before when I wasn't around due to them having guests over and using my driveway as over flow parking. Had he apologized and told me about the parking situation, I wouldn't have mind and would have told him to exchange numbers to ask me next time if it was ok for them to use my driveway. Nope. The ass felt entitled to use my driveway.

Until I get some security cameras set up on that house, I told the neighbors I'm friendly with to let me know if this happens again. I won't hesitate to call a tow truck now.
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I would have loved for someone to put a metal tire boot on that car
I had some what of a similar situation happen to me. Not that any utilities were being stolen.

I went out to my vacation home one weekend. I get there after a 2.5 or so hour drive. It's some what late as I pull up to my house. At first, I thought I was so tired I pulled up to the wrong house. I then realized someone parked in my driveway blocking access to my garage. I get out of my car. Look around to see if maybe the owner of the car would happen to come back for their car. After a few minutes and pondering if I should just call a tow truck, a guy comes out of the house directly across from me on the other side of the street. He's walking a dog. I go to him and ask if he knew who owned that car. He goes...oh it's mine.

He gets the keys goes over and backs the car out of my driveway. In the process of doing this, the jerk is tossing attitude around as if I was the problem in inconveniencing him. No apology. No nothing.

I talk to some other neighbors and apparently he's done it at least once before when I wasn't around due to them having guests over and using my driveway as over flow parking. Had he apologized and told me about the parking situation, I wouldn't have mind and would have told him to exchange numbers to ask me next time if it was ok for them to use my driveway. Nope. The ass felt entitled to use my driveway.

Until I get some security cameras set up on that house, I told the neighbors I'm friendly with to let me know if this happens again. I won't hesitate to call a tow truck now.
Set up a ring camera on your driveway and call the tow truck company as soon as that douche leaves his car. What a jerk off
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