[p912guy]

I know there are several folks on this forum who went from M235 / M240 to M2 over the past couple years and are very happy. Certainly jumping from M240 to the M2C is a bigger jump incrementally so the difference between the two should be more noticeable. Financially it's probably a huge mistake. The both the M2 and M2C are great cars but they don't and won't have the cache' of the 1M, and 3-4 years out will likely have depreciated at a similar rate to any other "M" car and maybe any other 2 Series. If you track your car a lot, it might be worth it. If it's just a DD, then harshness and ride quality aside, I doubt you'd notice much of a positive difference driving the M2C vs your M240. As others have said it really comes down to your finances, how intense your desire for an M2C is and how much disposable income you have available for "toys".

[ianp622]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

I did the LCA swap as well with the kit from Turner. Best single mod I've done! Really makes the 2'er "slot car" fun! I don't think it's such an "adventurous" move...dealer did it for me easily and no issues.

I'm worried because it's a change in the suspension geometry, which can cause issues with tire wear, bearings, etc., especially if you're having to put spacers on. And we might not see the effects for awhile.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by ianp622

I'm worried because it's a change in the suspension geometry, which can cause issues with tire wear, bearings, etc., especially if you're having to put spacers on. And we might not see the effects for awhile.

I have no data to disprove that, but Turner Motorsport limits the concern offered to the tires, perhaps 3,000~ fewer miles, in my conversation. I consider all of that the price of entertainment, and well worth it for the difference in the daily experience. There's no going back

Don't worry....be happy and enjoy!

[baege]

m2c has the s55...do you enjoy strong turbo lag?...then thats the car for you

if you like minimal turbo lag than b58 all the way

the only things the m2 has over the m240i are looks and track ability

since i dont track...i went for inner beauty

[3rdcoast228i]

I'm surprised you guys think the M2C is going to have some great depreciation. Sure they will be marked up at first. But once they start selling at MSRP or less I don't see them depreciating any more than any other M car. I'm also thinking the number of M2C's that make it to the states will be limited in numbers compared to the M2 and that will effect depreciation.

Of course that's all speculation on my part.

[rainfall]

eh, I had the opportunity to drive the M2 in 6MT. It's an awesome car, but I don't think it's that much better than the M235i - esp if you consider how much more money you need to drop in to get that car (your trade in for $30-35k for a $59k brand new car).

I'm assuming the M2C isn't that different than the M2.

Now, if your M235i is auto and you're thinking about getting M2C in manual, then it's debatable. Manuals won't be for sale forever.

[Luftwaffe1O1]

I will add this, people's concept of ride harshness is EXTREMELY subjective. In these instances it is best to just judge these qualities yourself. Performance wise, the M2C is going to be better than the 240/235 in every single imaginable way.

Reviews say its harsher, in all honesty I have a pretty high tolerance for a harsher ride, so for me this is a non issue. My Z3 is running on pretty much all poly bushings, and the springs are quite stiff these days. And for me it doesn't feel very harsh still. My chief complaint of the M235i is that it is way too soft and numb overall.

[rainfall]

I also disagree that the M2 is "harsh". It's firmer for sure than the 235 in comfort mode, but nowhere near stiff as an E36 M3.
My buddy has one and let me have it for a couple of days. THAT one is stiff. I think he even put some race springs in it. But here is the thing... the car was a freakin' blast to drive. It had like 100hp less than my 235i, but still was almost as fun, if not more fun to drive than my car

[PLF69]

I spent the day at circuit Mont-Tremblant yesterday and got the chance to drive m'y buddys M2 on M Performance Coilovers and My M235i back to back.

I have yet to drive a stock suspension M2 but from my comparo yes there is a différence but its not that huge. Would the M2 get on my nerves as a daily driver In the long run, maybe. The M235i is a smoother and more compilant ride. All dépends what you do and where you drive the car, NO one dailys an M2 in my area, we get a lot of snow and the roads are crap.

I can still imagine ppl making the compromise because its really not that bad.. As for track capability, there is just no comparision, the M235i/M240i is good, the M2 is excellent !

[vwcrusher]

FWIW, there is IMHO a very big difference between a daily driver and a 'toy' or second/third car. If there is no financial imperative (e.g, having the fastest, meanest, etc is most important) then go for it....life if short. However, if what you do and how you live are tied to making compromises, then the decision becomes a bit more complex....GL whichever way you go.

[ianp622]

Originally Posted by rainfall

I also disagree that the M2 is "harsh". It's firmer for sure than the 235 in comfort mode, but nowhere near stiff as an E36 M3.
My buddy has one and let me have it for a couple of days. THAT one is stiff. I think he even put some race springs in it. But here is the thing... the car was a freakin' blast to drive. It had like 100hp less than my 235i, but still was almost as fun, if not more fun to drive than my car

The way I see it when people ask for recommendations and aren't completely set on the M2, it means they don't necessarily have the tolerance for a harsh ride. For people that don't want to compromise on performance, then sure it won't be "harsh" for them, but they also probably won't be asking to choose between an M240i or an M2.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by rainfall

I also disagree that the M2 is "harsh". It's firmer for sure than the 235 in comfort mode, but nowhere near stiff as an E36 M3.

You may have your calibration set differently than others but when C&D writes about the M2 as follows:

WHAT WE DON’T LIKE: There’s a downside to the whole race-car schtick, and it’s stiffness. Stiffness in the suspension that translates into stiffness in the backs and necks of those prone to whining—including most of us. (emphasis added),The M2 itself seems to be whining about the harsh ride, too, as rattles and squeaks are starting to proliferate throughout the cabin.

And, Jalopnik writes:
as we were sitting in it, we were completely confused. Had we been driving the same car? Were we but simple peasants, failing to understand true greatness? The ride was too harsh, the gears were too short, and it sounded too fake.Yet, everything about it makes sense when you take it to where it’s meant to be—the track.

There's certainly a concern here that most folks should take into consideration if they intend to commute in this vehicle every day on the usually awful streets in and around major cities.

[Denk]

Tempting I know. I'm curious to see what engine the next gen M2 brings. B58 tuned or S58 maybe. I was tempted for a few minutes with the new M2 Comp but I'm gonna enjoy this M240i for awhile...I hope, I tend to buys cars based on emotion, not logic.

[babaikram]

Originally Posted by Denk

Tempting I know. I'm curious to see what engine the next gen M2 brings. B58 tuned or S58 maybe. I was tempted for a few minutes with the new M2 Comp but I'm gonna enjoy this M240i for awhile...I hope, I tend to buys cars based on emotion, not logic.

You are not alone

[DaleHeinz]

Originally Posted by babaikram

You are not alone

Definitely not. I drove both. I even thrashed the M2 around a track in NY during the M Track Days. It was amazing on the track. Truly phenomenal grip. Very little body roll through high speed chicanes. It just went. I wouldn't want that same suspension for a daily in the DC area though. I've always been a MT guy, but kind of wanted a Swiss Army knife sports car for a daily. Can't get the MT in Xdrive anymore, so I went with the M240Xi. All wheel drive, M Adaptive suspension, virtually the same interior as M2, DINAN Stage 1, DINAN Midpipe, and now my car is faster than a stock M2, but just doesn't track as well. I'm more than ok with that. This car may see a track twice in my ownership. My only regret is that the M2 body is quite a bit sexier than the M240.

[e90post_user]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Well if you buy now, you will pay full premium because new model etc.

But from my observation of used M2's locally unless you don't really care about the configuration of the car it can be quite a challenge to find what you want in the used market so if this as value for you maybe buying new is better than looking at a car your supposed to love and always thinking about how you would like it even more in a different color..

Originally Posted by PLF69

Well if you buy now, you will pay full premium because new model etc.

But from my observation of used M2's locally unless you don't really care about the configuration of the car it can be quite a challenge to find what you want in the used market so if this as value for you maybe buying new is better than looking at a car your supposed to love and always thinking about how you would like it even more in a different color..

M2 and M2C are quite standard on "options", so your room for different options etc is not that wide - DCT vs 6-speed, executive package vs none and moonroof. Colors are also quite limited - white, blue, and grey for an M2, and white, blue, orange or silver for M2C. It's not like scoring a CPO individual tanzanite blue with silverstone extended leather M3/M4 with a 6-speed and all the options minus adaptive cruise control...

[Luftwaffe1O1]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

You may have your calibration set differently than others but when C&D writes about the M2 as follows:

WHAT WE DON’T LIKE: There’s a downside to the whole race-car schtick, and it’s stiffness. Stiffness in the suspension that translates into stiffness in the backs and necks of those prone to whining—including most of us. (emphasis added),The M2 itself seems to be whining about the harsh ride, too, as rattles and squeaks are starting to proliferate throughout the cabin.

And, Jalopnik writes:
as we were sitting in it, we were completely confused. Had we been driving the same car? Were we but simple peasants, failing to understand true greatness? The ride was too harsh, the gears were too short, and it sounded too fake.Yet, everything about it makes sense when you take it to where it’s meant to be—the track.

There's certainly a concern here that most folks should take into consideration if they intend to commute in this vehicle every day on the usually awful streets in and around major cities.

Like i said, i take most warnings of harshness with a grain of salt. This is very subjective, which is why eveyone should kind of gauge where their limit is. For me personally its nowhere near harsh enough. But there are plenty of people that will disagree

[jordantii]

Originally Posted by Maynard

I think that, unless you are on track (or European quality roads) the non-M's have better real-world handling. They have more compliant suspensions, and can hold the road even when it isn't super smooth; even more so w/ the adaptive suspension. I'm also skeptical about the impending markup-fury, since the M2C is basically replacing the M2; it had seemed to me that they were starting to saturate the market with the M2's already, in part b/c of this very minimal increment in performance over the 240. Nonetheless, a very good sign that they are moving in the direction of lighter/tighter, rather than more luxurious and smooooth (ditto for the early reads on the new 3-series, but that may just be hype).

M2c is actually 150 pounds heavier than the current M4 and less power. Let that soak in for a minute...

[Dylan86]

If I were looking to get out of the F22 and into an F87, I'd take a stripper M2 6MT with the N55, with a nice discount, over the M2C. Then build/spec it from there for how I like my car to be for performance, etc. That's just me, though, I don't like what the factory offers in most cases..

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

If I were looking to get out of the F22 and into an F87, I'd take a stripper M2 6MT with the N55, with a nice discount, over the M2C. Then build/spec it from there for how I like my car to be for performance, etc. That's just me, though, I don't like what the factory offers in most cases..

Thats pretty much what I just did yesterday and I can assure you the discount was worth it !

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by jordantii

M2c is actually 150 pounds heavier than the current M4 and less power. Let that soak in for a minute...

This is incorrect.

Per the BMW website a BMW M4 is:

Manual: 3625
Automatic: 3685

M2C is:

Manual: 3600
Automatic: 3655

[jordantii]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

This is incorrect.

Per the BMW website a BMW M4 is:

Manual: 3625
Automatic: 3685

M2C is:

Manual: 3600
Automatic: 3655

I stand corrected. The 15 was based on a ZCP M4 with the CF drive shaft.