03-29-2016, 08:46 AM | #1 |
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Does the standard Hi-Fi system have tweeters in the doors in addition to the four inch speakers? If so, where? I thought only the upgraded system had the tweeters.
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03-29-2016, 12:26 PM | #2 | |
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Drop in aftermarket coaxials STAT. At a minimum.
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04-05-2016, 02:24 PM | #3 |
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The base system sucks. It has four inch paper speakers. No tweeters.
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04-05-2016, 07:26 PM | #5 |
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Following the threads re HiFi speakers, it seems there is recommendation of initial steps being to 1. disconnect the center speaker and 2. replace the front door speakers. How much is gained by also changing the rear speakers, particularly if the rear volume will be minimized ?
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04-06-2016, 09:42 AM | #6 | |
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Your issues are: 1). Timbre-matching. Coaxials (presumably) in the front and full-range drivers in the back will not sound good at all, even with the rears at a relatively low volume. 2). System/ASD volume. iDrive system sounds and ASD are mixed to emit primarily through the rear speakers. Unless your aftermarket fronts are very close to the OEM rears in sensitivity -- realistically within 2dB -- those sounds will be out of balance -- and likely louder -- with no way to control the volume other than the fader control. I estimate the sensitivity of the OEM rears and center channel (the same part number) to be about 94dB, and very, very few aftermarket drivers are that sensitive -- and the ones that are are pretty much crap. 3). Frequency articulation. For the 2-ohm subs under your seats to work properly, the volume needs to be fairly high with most 4-ohm aftermarket speakers because of the sensitivity issues above. The OEM amp underpowers the subs somewhat, and they simply don't get enough power to even out relative volume between bass and higher frequencies until about (roughly) 75 or 80dB. Rule of thumb, if you replace any speakers: Do them all, or don't do them at all.
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04-06-2016, 05:47 PM | #7 |
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Thanks for the response. If planning to replace both front and back speakers, are there speakers to consider other than Bavsound, which will hopefully ship and be reviewed over next couple of weeks ? A thread mentions Focal, but the person recommending them was noted to also be selling them in the classified section.
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Im asking, because i was thinking of going this route... :/ |
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Every driver design -- full-range, woofer, tweeter, sub, headphone, computer, transducer, and so on -- has a sonic 'signature': a reproduction pattern throughout the audible spectrum that the driver is designed to cover. Some of that signature refers to the peaks and valleys of volume as a tone goes up or down in frequency. Other parts of that signature are less subjective; put simply, bass 'fullness', low-midrange 'punch', midrange 'articulation', treble 'crispness', etc. This is what audiophiles generally refer to as 'timbre'. Many factors create a 'timbre', from speaker size, cone stiffness, and excursion length to magnet strength, material composition, transducer efficiency, and much more. The bottom line of all this is that nearly every unique driver design reproduces similarly if the materials and fundamental parameters are similar -- i.e., the same make, series, and size of a driver. The next best choice is a driver set of a different size -- say, a 6.5-inch driver paired with a 4-inch driver -- but with similar materials, the latter of which generally makes the largest difference in how a driver will sound regarding its 'timbre'. Timbre-matching is precisely why you see shared tweeter, midrange, and woofer designs across a model line of not only car speakers, but home speakers as well. Case in point: a home speaker maker will use a specific tweeter and small woofer in a small bookshelf and/or satellite speaker, and use that same tweeter and small woofer alongside larger -- but still relatively similar -- midrange and woofer driver designs in a range's large floorstanding mains.
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04-07-2016, 10:37 AM | #11 |
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I know this is going to sound like self-advertising and I apologize for that. But I have installed a mixed system whose timbres match very nicely - at least for my taste. It's a combination of Eton in the front and JLAudio in the back.
I've got the HK system so I can't speak for how well this would match the electronics in the HiFi system. But I'm pretty sure that Grave has the Euro Hifi version and he's got Etons in the front. This combination has the advantages of a reasonable cost and true drop-in installation: no adapters, no splicing. Further, the speakers are available now. Details at http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1236238 . Again, apologies for the self-reference. |
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Hope HiFi thread not hijacked to HK. Asking another way, for the person who does not get HK due to poor reviews, and has a price point of the $895 to upgrade HiFi (and assume will be having it installed) what are the best solutions ? It seems they would include disconnecting the center speaker, probably due to cost not changing amp and replacing 4 speakers, which can involve more skills if being installed rather than DYI.
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Right, and apologies if I seemed to go in this direction. I was really trying to say that at least one forum member with a HiFi system has installed the drop-in Etons, to good effect. And I was trying to suggest that the particular system combination of Eton and JLAudio works well sonically as a whole.
And the price is way below what you're budgeting... |
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04-07-2016, 01:02 PM | #14 |
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Well, for me this discussion is all after the fact. I already ordered my Bavsound stage one system for Hi Fi. I guess Bavsound could be, unqualified or unscrupulous, but I'm guessing they know more about sound systems than I do.
They don't arrive until June, but I'll report back here with my impressions. |
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With its kit, you're paying for ease of installation coupled with as significant an improvement in sound as possible with as little thought from the consumer as possible -- at a certain price point. Better solutions would necessitate more involvement in all three of those factors. Some simply don't want that -- and there's nothing terribly wrong with that approach if a product enables it well enough.
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Looks like Eton has F22 speaker replacements, that look to be for the standard HIFI (the page in in German, http://upgrade-audio.de/fahrzeugspez...e/b-100-w.html -- I don't speak German), that doesn't require wire splicing but does include A-pillar mountable tweeters. Looks like two front door mid drives and two tweeters. They also have what looks to be two sub options. I don't see mid driver options without the tweeter for the read deck.
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Focal ISC 100s are currently available and work well with the standard HiFi system. I replaced all four stock 4 inch speakers over 2 years ago with the Focals.
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I also ordered the bimmertech replacement amp and ASD-disabling harness. Got that directly from bimmertech as the price was significantly lower than Bavsound, who sells the exactly same amp. Already installed the Bavsound Ghost replacement woofers (can't really call them 'subs'). It helped improve the sound, but I suspect better low frequency articulation with the new amp. We'll see... |
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