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      12-13-2018, 07:39 PM   #221
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If the statistics are correct and more illegals use welfare in the US, that's crazy.
Here's the law.

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Legal immigrants cannot get welfare for their first five years of residency, with few exceptions, mostly at the state level. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare except for rare circumstances like emergency Medicaid.
I have a feeling and some information the immigration laws in the US are ok.

Abiding by said laws is frowned upon. By the left.

Change my mind.
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I have a feeling and some information the immigration laws in the US are ok.

Abiding by said laws is frowned upon. By the left.
Well so far you've made two claims without any substantiating evidence.

Prove it.
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I have a feeling and some information the immigration laws in the US are ok.

Abiding by said laws is frowned upon. By the left.
Well so far you've made two claims without any substantiating evidence.

Prove it.
Oh man I forgot who I was talking to lol

I made no claims, read better it's not my name.
Have a good day
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Yeah, I expect you to back up your opinions.
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Oh man I forgot who I was talking to lol

I made no claims, read better it's not my name.
Have a good day
Lol, reading comprehension is not his strong suit, Onesy... not sure he has one.
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Oh man I forgot who I was talking to lol

I made no claims, read better it's not my name.
Have a good day
Lol, reading comprehension is not his strong suit, Onesy... not sure he has one.
I thought I had him on ignore, apparently I missed that lol

But now I know better, it's a waste of time...
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I thought I had him on ignore, apparently I missed that lol

But now I know better, it's a waste of time...
I’m hoping he might put me on ignore... I’d be willing to pay.
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I thought I had him on ignore, apparently I missed that lol

But now I know better, it's a waste of time...
I'm hoping he might put me on ignore... I'd be willing to pay.
It wouldn't work, because you'd still see his posts.

So there you are, left with reading his posts while he can't read yours...

I know, because sometimes I see someone quoting the Dodger or the Robot or the Mexican-Austrian or SomeBMWdude and they were replying something I said, so they still see my posts lol
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It wouldn't work, because you'd still see his posts.

So there you are, left with reading his posts while he can't read yours...

I know, because sometimes I see someone quoting the Dodger or the Robot or the Mexican-Austrian or SomeBMWdude and they were replying something I said, so they still see my posts lol
I guess I’d settle for his not reading mine, since he cant read and never fails to miss the point.
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      12-13-2018, 09:21 PM   #230
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Change my mind.
Seems like the onus is on you, not the other way around.

Just stopping in here on page 6 and I'm not sure why you think his reply should be anything other than what it was. Put some effort into your statement and you might get a rebuttal. If not, it's unlikely.
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Change my mind.
Seems like the onus is on you, not the other way around.

Just stopping in here on page 6 and I'm not sure why you think his reply should be anything other than what it was. Put some effort into your statement and you might get a rebuttal. If not, it's unlikely.
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Change my mind.
Seems like the onus is on you, not the other way around.

Just stopping in here on page 6 and I'm not sure why you think his reply should be anything other than what it was. Put some effort into your statement and you might get a rebuttal. If not, it's unlikely.
If you haven't noticed, that's not how these guys operate around here.

Step 1: make outrageous claim without basis
Step 2: get angry when someone counters that claim with a reference
Step 3: don't refute, double down, make it personal
Step 4: rinse and repeat
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Change my mind.
Seems like the onus is on you, not the other way around.

Just stopping in here on page 6 and I'm not sure why you think his reply should be anything other than what it was. Put some effort into your statement and you might get a rebuttal. If not, it's unlikely.
If you haven't noticed, that's not how these guys operate around here.

Step 1: make outrageous claim without basis
Step 2: get angry when someone counters that claim with a reference
Step 3: don't refute, double down, make it personal
Step 4: rinse and repeat
Since I'm feeling jolly and Christmasy, I'll vote for a last shot at crazy trolling...

1- what outrageous (or any) claims have I made?
2- how do you know I got angry? I usually laugh or facepalm at the ridiculousness of trolls around here. 2.1 - What "counter"? 2.2 - what reference did you provide?
3- how did I make it personal?

There. 5 simple questions.
If you can answer them in a straightforward manner we're BFF.
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      12-14-2018, 07:49 AM   #234
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I don't understand why some people think this is such a bad thing or a Nazi thing...

Yet they think Canada is the most humanitarian country in the world.

In Canada nobody enters, and who's here gets deported.
Points system for immigration.
What about those claiming refugee status? There is currently up to 200,000 undocumented immigrants in Canada who have either failed their refugee claims or overstayed their visas.

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If the statistics are correct and more illegals use welfare in the US, that's crazy. Definitely not the case in Canada. An illegal wouldn't even be able to go to the hospital and see a doctor, let alone collect money.
Anyone can receive medical treatment in Canada although those without provincial coverage may be required to pay for their procedure out of pocket.

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And virtually ALL homeless and indigent people are NOT immigrants here, legal or otherwise.
One-third of homeless in Toronto are immigrants
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/200...mmigrants.html

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I wonder if there could be a bickering filter? You don't ignore people, you ignore 1:1 conversations unrelated to the subject at hand. Is AI good enough yet to detect them?
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I wonder if there could be a bickering filter? You don't ignore people, you ignore 1:1 conversations unrelated to the subject at hand. Is AI good enough yet to detect them?
I think so.
And your post would fall under that rule
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Since I'm feeling jolly and Christmasy, I'll vote for a last shot at crazy trolling...

1- what outrageous (or any) claims have I made?
2- how do you know I got angry? I usually laugh or facepalm at the ridiculousness of trolls around here. 2.1 - What "counter"? 2.2 - what reference did you provide?
3- how did I make it personal?

There. 5 simple questions.
If you can answer them in a straightforward manner we're BFF.
Ok, now that I've had a beer, let's do this.

Let's start here:

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If the statistics are correct and more illegals use welfare in the US, that's crazy.
No actual statistics posted, just a claim. So that's part of your question #1.

You could have googled and found this GAO report: https://www.gao.gov/products/hehs-98-30

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Food Stamp benefits were provided to households with an illegal alien parent for the use of his or her citizen child; (2) this amount accounted for about 3 percent of AFDC and 2 percent of Food Stamp benefit costs
Now I will give you that's an old study (1997) and we can argue is 3% and 2% even too much, well, we can have a debate on that. But that's not what you did.

And here's my response. My reference (question #3) is actually quoting the law.

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Here's the law.
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Legal immigrants cannot get welfare for their first five years of residency, with few exceptions, mostly at the state level. Illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare except for rare circumstances like emergency Medicaid.
Another simple google search finds this: https://www.cato.org/publications/im...tive-use-rates

More recent, 2018.

Now, instead of countering with a statistics, you do this. Also fulfilling part of question #1:

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I have a feeling and some information the immigration laws in the US are ok.

Abiding by said laws is frowned upon. By the left.

Change my mind.
Now, the bolded part is just inflammatory and making it personal. You're not backing it up with anything but your opinion and you are purposefully trying to incite an emotional response. No more rational discourse, just trolling really. Making the claim that the left doesn't care about the law is you trying to poke the bear.

Now maybe I don't really have the ability to prove that you became "angry" but part of your response that is bolded is not looking for a rational discussion, you're trying to start a fight.

I think that covers question #2 and it's sub-parts.

So what's my point? Well, this is kinda what's wrong with American politics at the moment. One side is making emotional, opinionated arguments and is not even trying to back it up with facts. And when counter arguments are made that aren't just opinion but backed up with studies and articles, it turns into a bunch of troll responses. This is continuing to open this divide we have in this country.

Some of my arguments are based on my personal opinion, not able to be backed up externally. There is a place for that too. But let's stop confusing opinions for facts.
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I wouldn't expect anything worthwhile from you.

And you continue to meet my expectations
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Who are you talking to, Jockey? You didn’t address anybody.
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