[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by Winemaker2

Where the hell is Doctor Phil when you need him? At any rate back to the original thread. This really boils down to a psychological conundrum. Here's why. With the pandemic I find people are driving way too fast. In the short 1.5 mile stretch of highway I travel on the one day a week obligatory visit to the office cars are flying past me. I forget, let my BMW ego take charge, and the next thing I know I am hearing my car's 80 mph sound alert. Not too bright, car too fast...now I get it.

Decreases exposure time to COVID. These folks are actually driving with health in mind.

Brilliant.

[B58togo]

Originally Posted by Skrrt McGrrt

As a mechanical engineer, I can appreciate the design/engineering involved to get my 240i to do 0-60 in around 4.6s.

A stock X-Drive does it in like 4.2.

[cristo]

Even a manual transmission M240i vert is 4.4 sec.

[chattanooga240]

Originally Posted by cristo

Even a manual transmission M240i vert is 4.4 sec.

I'd bet highly that 90% of drivers cannot replicate that.

Not saying it isn't possible, just saying that is not where the smart money is.

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by nvmaddog

I'd bet highly that 90% of drivers cannot replicate that.

Not saying it isn't possible, just saying that is not where the smart money is.

Not to make a myth out of these cars but the real life numbers are even lower than the stock figures being reported by above posters. Throw in launch control and you don't need much of a production to smash those numbers, as Americans would say, "everyday, all day".

Get a dragy and gauge for yourself. You will squint your eyes at the results. These cars are stupid quick and surprisingly underrated.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by B58togo

A stock X-Drive does it in like 4.2.

Originally Posted by cristo

Even a manual transmission M240i vert is 4.4 sec.

Quiet Saturday morning musings:

Does anything to the right of the decimal point matter or is it even reliable?

What is the difference between 4.2 and "like" 4.2?

[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Quiet Saturday morning musings:

Does anything to the right of the decimal point matter or is it even reliable?

What is the difference between 4.2 and "like" 4.2?

Just express times in nano seconds so that it's 4200000000 n secs. Now it's not so trivial.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Just express times in nano seconds so that it's 4200000000 n secs. Now it's not so trivial.

Yes, I see....now it appears more compelling!

[Maynard]

Originally Posted by nvmaddog

I'd bet highly that 90% of drivers cannot replicate that.

Not saying it isn't possible, just saying that is not where the smart money is.

What are you talking about? Why, the day I was in for my final warranty service the SA took me aside and said "now that it is broken in, you really want to use launch control as much as possible. Oh, and here's a coupon for 10% off repairs over $500."

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Just express times in nano seconds so that it's 4200000000 n secs. Now it's not so trivial.

Ahem, you mean "nontrivial"

I admit, I overuse this word. Makes things sound way more complex (read: expensive) than they actually are in CorporateLand.

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by Maynard

What are you talking about? Why, the day I was in for my final warranty service the SA took me aside and said "now that it is broken in, you really want to use launch control as much as possible. Oh, and here's a coupon for 10% off repairs over $500."

Did this actually happen or are you joking? It is hilarious if it did.

[H2O_Doc]

Originally Posted by BimBimM2

Ahem, you mean "nontrivial"

I admit, I overuse this word. Makes things sound way more complex (read: expensive) than they actually are in CorporateLand.

If it were my technical writing, you'd be correct. For the general public, I go full-colloquial. It's gooder that way.

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

If it were my technical writing, you'd be correct. For the general public, I go full-colloquial. It's gooder that way.

Of course, you being a STEM guy, I knew you went out of your way to not use "nontrivial" haha

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

If it were my technical writing, you'd be correct. For the general public, I go full-colloquial. It's gooder that way.

I guess I am just relieved you did not actually write, "like, gooder"!

[Maynard]

Originally Posted by BimBimM2

Did this actually happen or are you joking? It is hilarious if it did.

No, it is my attempt at humor; but glad you liked it.

[Kayevman]

Originally Posted by Shovelman

Being an engineer really is different. The world looks different when all the works of man are seen as 'designed for a purpose'.

Toasters, software, furniture, cars...

Just to pause on transmissions; I prefer the stick shift because it lets me make a selection and experience the results. It's not faster or more efficient or easier, it just lets me be true to my nature.

Engine size, my 230 has more power than I would have given it. It works just fine and I don't think a change either up or down is worth considering at this point. It's not broken. But to a guy with a history of much slower cars, this is not ideal.

Not ideal for me but the best choice at the time. It was designed for a purpose and that is 'to sell profitably'. The market believes that more power is better. I get it and I am ok with it, I just see it differently.

Eco mode should make your care perfect for you.

[Heitzer]

I think Shovelman just asked that age old question. "Do you have more fun with more power"?

It's a key question asked so many ways over the decades. Just saw an 2018 article from R&T in which the BMW 230 was included in a list of "slow cars" that are tons of fun. For those guys the 230 is a slow car. In the list is also a VW Beetle with 37 hp .
Yes, what is fast and where you find most fun is subjective. Only you can now!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...0Non%20Openers

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by Heitzer

I think Shovelman just asked that age old question. "Do you have more fun with more power"?

It's a key question asked so many ways over the decades. Just saw an 2018 article from R&T in which the BMW 230 was included in a list of "slow cars" that are tons of fun. For those guys the 230 is a slow car. In the list is also a VW Beetle with 37 hp .
Yes, what is fast and where you find most fun is subjective. Only you can now!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...0Non%20Openers

Yes, slow and fast are not *that* subjective. Cars don't have one single speed one can moderate and pilot these consumer vehicles to personal preferences. For instance, my M240i is a Prius in Eco mode. There is such a thing as "too slow" of a car, but there is no such thing as "too fast" of a car.

I just don't get it. I have only heard this complaint from people who are trying to blame the car for for their myriad speeding tickets haha!

However the point you make, and the one which the article corroborates, is an excellent one. Can these cars which are deemed "slow" (or "too slow") be fun? Of course they can be! Sportstick has a 230i and he has tons of valuable insight to share on how much fun he has in his light and nimble 230i.

@Shovelman was talking about something else entirely. He was talking about "works of man" and car being "too fast (and the car not being constipated enough)"... and it turned into a riot

[albertw]

Originally Posted by BimBimM2

Yes, slow and fast are not *that* subjective. Cars don't have one single speed one can moderate and pilot these consumer vehicles to personal preferences.

Since Shovelman chose not to explain what he meant, we are free to interpret it as we wish. On that basis, I think you missed the point completely. The 2 series is designed for well over 300 hp. If it had been designed for 200 hp, many parts would be lighter and the car would be nimbler. If 200 hp is all you want, it would be a better car for you.

[Sail Boat]

The quality of the haughtiness present in this thread is delightful.

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by Sail Boat

The quality of the haughtiness present in this thread is delightful.

Oh that's the whole point!! I love dragging this out. These threads turn so entertaining haha

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by albertw

Since Shovelman chose not to explain what he meant, we are free to interpret it as we wish. On that basis, I think you missed the point completely. The 2 series is designed for well over 300 hp. If it had been designed for 200 hp, many parts would be lighter and the car would be nimbler. If 200 hp is all you want, it would be a better car for you.

I love how you say this with such conviction Sportstick would disagree with you. His is a 230i, 200 lbs lighter and still a 2 series. So is Shovelman 's.