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      09-08-2023, 03:43 AM   #419
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they're teammates after all, sitting 1 and 2 in the driver championship.
You can quite easily spot by their body language that the dynamics between them has changed last year. They used to be 'team mates'. Now they are just 'colleagues', keeping it strictly business.

Did you see any genuinely friendly, cordial or affectionate gesture lately, apart from the courtesy handshake after parking after a podium finish, the post-race group picture smiles and the scripted "good points for the team today" lines in post-race interviews ? Next time you see them together again on a podium, keep an eye on how they rather evasively celebrate the race result with champaign showers while the Prelude of Bizet's "Carmen" is blasting through the speakers.

No need to sugar coat the situation: on a human level the relationship between Verstappen and Perez is broken beyond repair since many months. They tolerate each other by necessity but are capable of crashing into each other on track. No favors granted anymore.

What happened in Monaco (2022 Q3), didn't stay in Monaco: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...4#post29547984 (cf. Dutch journalists close to Jos Verstappen's inner circle who spilled the beans and never got criticized for doing that by the Verstappens or Red Bull).

Early June 2022 - F1 Azerbaijan 2022 - Baku race weekend: fun game played between Verstappen and Perez. That same race weekend, after the Baku post-race interviews Verstappen would hear about what had happened during the F1 Monaco 2022 Q3 and was shell-shocked by it:


F1 Brazil 2022: trouble in paradise:


F1 Austria 2023: almost a "Rosberg-Hamilton Spain 2016" or "Prost-Senna Suzuka 1989/1990" moment:
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      09-08-2023, 04:58 AM   #420
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^ I love the first vid, so funny! and it's the way it should be.

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Max is carrying dead weight. Checo is there because Red Bull doesn't need him to do anything more.
Nico Rosberg has some advice for Fred and that is to learn Italian
Whether that would help communication is another matter but for the time being everyone there seems to understand getting by with English.
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10...learn-italian/
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I think he's a works Lamborghini racer now.
Here's an interesting clip from a few years back of him.
Broken link for me but I got your point. From F1 to spec racer class is sad. I really was rooting for Romain Grosjean in Indy car but sadly he became Paul Tracy without the wins.
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Broken link for me but I got your point. From F1 to spec racer class is sad. I really was rooting for Romain Grosjean in Indy car but sadly he became Paul Tracy without the wins.
As the saying goes, if you can't please anybody you have to please yourself, I like family man Romain and I believe he has a street named after him in Indianapolis,
Grosjean Avenue.
https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1...indy-car-race/ .
Hope you can get this link
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I particularly like this from Checo and Max, 'guess what I am saying' soo funny
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Nico Rosberg has some advice for Fred and that is to learn Italian
Whether that would help communication is another matter but for the time being everyone there seems to understand getting by with English.
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10...learn-italian/
RosTurd is wrong, Freddie best learn putting his boot sideways up some Italian a$$
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Nico Rosberg has some advice for Fred and that is to learn Italian
Whether that would help communication is another matter but for the time being everyone there seems to understand getting by with English.
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10...learn-italian/
Pic is from your link . Awesome !
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Pic is from your link . Awesome !
'Hot point' If it's biological wash then that's bad
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RosTurd is wrong, Freddie best learn putting his boot sideways up some Italian a$$
Or a wagging finger
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'Hot point' If it's biological wash then that's bad
I heard the washing powder smelled like strawberries
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I heard the washing powder smelled like strawberries
Fred should give Seb Vet a call about that, he knows everything
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It makes no difference who replaces Checo, if he does ever leave that is.
Max's unique driving style will beat anyone, Chas,Lew, Russ,Carlo or Fernie, you name them and MAX will beat them all.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-ve...-pierre-wache/
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I heard the washing powder smelled like strawberries
I wish
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I wish
Yeah , me 2 !

Singapore is a high downforce track , the Merc really likes that .
LEW said : We can beat MAX in Singapore .

I say : Let's hope LEW will be beated by Ferrari !

#ForzaFerrari !

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Yeah , me 2 !

Singapore is a high downforce track , the Merc really likes that .
LEW said : We can beat MAX in Singapore .

I say : Let's hope LEW will be beated by Ferrari !

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"He's a solid 2nd driver"
2nd in points in the driver championship. Beat Max twice this year. Who would you replace him with that wouldn't blow the cost cap?
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2nd in points in the driver championship. Beat Max twice this year. Who would you replace him with that wouldn't blow the cost cap?
Drivers salary not in it last time i checked.
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No need to sugar coat the situation: on a human level the relationship between Verstappen and Perez is broken beyond repair since many months. They tolerate each other by necessity but are capable of crashing into each other on track. No favors granted anymore.
But why does their personal relationship matter? I don't care who likes whom.

Put plainly, Max is an incredible driver, but he's an asshole to his teammates. Gasly and Albon were never a threat to him, but Checo and Ric both threatened him, and he pulled shit that deteriorated their relationship. Forced Ric to leave the team. Perez is willing to deal with it. Good luck to RB to find another driver to replace Checo, it's why he's been there for 3 years...
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Drivers salary not in it last time i checked.
I never really dug into what is or isn't included, I just assumed it was because well, why wouldn't it be. Regardless, it would still be super costly to put another championship contender as Max's teammate, and as I posted above, all that would do is create a terrible relationship between drivers.
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Well when Max and Lewis are on 50m a year, there would not be much left. Relationship between Max and Checo is ok, dont believe everything you read.
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