[seansurfn2]

Originally Posted by Phillymb75

Stumbled across a well optioned 2016 M4 competition convertible in my ideal color combo with very low mileage.

Currently have an 2018 M240 xdrive convertible. I settled on color when I got it, so I've never been "enamored" with it.

This will be a second car driven 3-4k/year. When I bought the M240 my plan was to keep it long-term, and that is what I'm thinking with this M4.

Need a sanity check, anyone own both, which did you prefer?

a common thing human beings do is buy buy buy... im not sure why your buying another car except that you prefer another color.. i had a tacoma 2017 before jumping into the m235i. i did tons of research on the motors including m3/4. i wanted and financially could keep both( paid cash outright) no debt but miss having a truck. i flip homes via real estate and never can carry stuff around in the m235i though 375hp tuned fbo is all i need. as matthew macconoheyyyy says.. be happy with what you do have and not what you dont.. i had nothing just 4 years ago and now could buy a ferrari if i wanted to but dont. .. id rather just let my friend let me take his for a spin...

[Phillymb75]

I scratched the itch yesterday and went and drove the M4.

I have been driving the M240 a lot this week so I thought it would be good to compare the two.

The M4 is beautiful, love the color and look, but I have to say, I didn't like the drive as much as I hoped I would. Given it's been damp around here lately and the back did step out on my slightly a couple times which I expected (or should I say I tried to do on purpose, it was fun).

Definitely a more powerful car, but my M240 with xdrive has more usable power in my opinion so I'm sticking with it.

Thank you all for the advice, there was a lot of very great information in all the posts, it's nice to have a resource like this when making decisions.

Now I'm back to trying to decide what to do with my X5 lease that is up soon, X5 M50 or X7 M50

[helloelectro]

Originally Posted by Phillymb75

I scratched the itch yesterday and went and drove the M4.

I have been driving the M240 a lot this week so I thought it would be good to compare the two.

The M4 is beautiful, love the color and look, but I have to say, I didn't like the drive as much as I hoped I would. Given it's been damp around here lately and the back did step out on my slightly a couple times which I expected (or should I say I tried to do on purpose, it was fun).

Definitely a more powerful car, but my M240 with xdrive has more usable power in my opinion so I'm sticking with it.

Thank you all for the advice, there was a lot of very great information in all the posts, it's nice to have a resource like this when making decisions.

Now I'm back to trying to decide what to do with my X5 lease that is up soon, X5 M50 or X7 M50

Now the your X5 lease is up, get the M4! Jk!

[Phillymb75]

ended up getting a great deal on a 19 X7 50, pretty much all the options I wanted, pick it up tomorrow.

I see an X5M as the next buy in 36 months

[USA-RET]

Only you can scratch that itch.

I will offer the following as something to consider.

I liked the M4 a lot and when bringing in my M240i for the annual service I comment to the Service Manager, that maybe I should trade for the M4. He tells me "keep what you have", we have too many of the M cars in for problems compared to the M240i. You won't see a big jump in performance especially with the Dinan tune you have on your car now".

Strangely, my sales manager tells me the same thing. He is honest as the day is long, and is missing out on a commission by not pushing a sale.

FWIW, when the guys with a vested interest in selling and servicing cars steers me away from one of their higher priced products, that tells me something.

Not sure how your dealership operates...but thought my experience was worth sharing.

Amendment:

I'm not at all demeaning the M cars. I like their looks and the pride that comes with owning one. On the practical side, if those cars were less costly to repair and had better service records I would surely consider owning one even with the higher "buy-in" price.

[MarkDemma]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

Only you can scratch that itch.

I will offer the following as something to consider.

I liked the M4 a lot and when bringing in my M240i for the annual service I comment to the Service Manager, that maybe I should trade for the M4. He tells me "keep what you have", we have too many of the M cars in for problems compared to the M240i. You won't see a big jump in performance especially with the Dinan tune you have on your car now".

Strangely, my sales manager tells me the same thing. He is honest as the day is long, and is missing out on a commission by not pushing a sale.

FWIW, when the guys with a vested interest in selling and servicing cars steers me away from one of their higher priced products, that tells me something.

Not sure how your dealership operates...but thought my experience was worth sharing.

Really interesting that the dealer said that, but lines up with my experience. When looking to replace my E46 330Ci ZHP I rode the 440i, M4, M240i and a M2 and have to say that I really wasn't impressed with the driving feel of either of the 4ers. I see why there is so much complaint about that "F" generation of the chassis. I've seen a couple of recent rankings of M3/4s and it always comes in dead last.

[sethwas]

Originally Posted by MarkDemma

I rented a M4 for a weekend (from Turo) before purchasing my M240i and I have to say I really did prefer the M240i over the M4. The M4 felt too big, too heavy, too ... MUCH.

I felt/did the same.

I didn't like the 4 series compared to the 2. Everything was larger/floppier/looser to me. The 2 felt tighter. (comparing not M to M but 228i to 430i). That I saved a boat load of money was just icing on the cake.

If you want the best 2 series, you may just end up in a Supra

Seth

[FlyingScot1050]

Originally Posted by sethwas

If you want the best 2 series, you may just end up in a Supra

Strange times we live in with how much truth there is in this

[BimBimM2]

Originally Posted by sethwas

I felt/did the same.

I didn't like the 4 series compared to the 2. Everything was larger/floppier/looser to me. The 2 felt tighter. (comparing not M to M but 228i to 430i). That I saved a boat load of money was just icing on the cake.

If you want the best 2 series, you may just end up in a Supra

Seth

Make the Supra a convertible with AWD and I will buy it today. That to me, is the "best" B58 platform, and only exists in the M240i

[MichBadger]

Originally Posted by BimBimM2

Make the Supra a convertible with AWD and I will buy it today. That to me, is the "best" B58 platform, and only exists in the M240i

I hate to say it, but I'd do exactly the same.

[rainfall]

I think you should ask this question in the general BMW forum to get a less biased answer, but I guess it depends on what you're looking for in a car.

More power usually comes with more weight and size. You probably already know this, but the bigger and heavier the car, the less fun it is. Typically the manufacturers try to compensate with more power, which ends up being a vicious cycle. Not necessarily a bad thing.

I guess I have to drive both M4 and M4C to tell if it is really worth the upgrade, but have you considered the M2? If it was my money, I'd consider the plain M2 in 6MT and RWD. At 3450 lbs, the car is plenty fast, reasonably light, is fully loaded and there should be some in the market from owners who wanted to upgrade to the M2C or M2CS.

[rainfall]

Originally Posted by sethwas

I felt/did the same.

I didn't like the 4 series compared to the 2. Everything was larger/floppier/looser to me. The 2 felt tighter. (comparing not M to M but 228i to 430i). That I saved a boat load of money was just icing on the cake.

If you want the best 2 series, you may just end up in a Supra

Seth

+1
If Toyota makes the Supra in manual transmission, I'm gonna have a serious conversation with my wife about trading in my 2 series

[albertw]

On paper the Supra is a better car for me, which an M2 is not. Enough cargo capacity, better steering feel, supple ride with handling biased to accessible, controllable oversteer, ugly enough no one will think I bought it for the looks and a Toyota so I didn't buy it for snob appeal (not that I really care about that, but still . . .), plenty of nearby Toyota dealers so I have a choice of service departments.

Unfortunately the mirrors are a fatal flaw for me. If I set my head low enough that I can see the road off to the right under the rear view mirror while turning, I can't see the road off to the left over the left side mirror. If I set it high enough that I can see over the side mirror the rear view mirror blocks out an important part of the view. I could never be comfortable driving this car just because of that.

[RoundelM3]

If it were me, I'd go for an M2 Competition, with the S55 engine. There's also an M2 CS coming with 444 hp standard, although it'll probably be like the M3/M4 CS with no armrests, etc. But for now, I'm sticking with my F80 M3 and wife's 228i M-Sport convertible.