[Lynx_Rufus]

I've been searching the forum for some info on the 2020 F22. I've seen that the MY19 F22 EOP is Feb 2019. Very early, presumably to accommodate the Leipzig plant expansion?

I've also noted that the follow-on G42 is projected for a Aug 21 start of production in Mexico. That leaves a pretty big gap, hopefully to be filled with the 2020 F22...but I haven't found any info. Can anyone point me to some intel on the 2020 model (such as production start, any changes...)?

If the predictions are correct, the 2020 F22 might be the last opportunity for those of us in North America to buy a German 2 Series before the MexiBimmers replace them.

[hwntime]

Originally Posted by Lynx_Rufus

I've been searching the forum for some info on the 2020 F22. I've seen that the MY19 F22 EOP is Feb 2019. Very early, presumably to accommodate the Leipzig plant expansion?

I've also noted that the follow-on G42 is projected for a Aug 21 start of production in Mexico. That leaves a pretty big gap, hopefully to be filled with the 2020 F22...but I haven't found any info. Can anyone point me to some intel on the 2020 model (such as production start, any changes...)?

If the predictions are correct, the 2020 F22 might be the last opportunity for those of us in North America to buy a German 2 Series before the MexiBimmers replace them.

MexiBimmers Maybe they should change it to MMW (Mexican Motor Works)

[B58togo]

I can’t help, but I laughed at MexiBimmers!

[morphomeman]

Mexibimmers are no odder than Gritsbimmers. The largest BMW factory in the world is in Spartanburg, South Carolina. No negative effect on sales, AFAIK.
Or do you have some problem with Mexicans refusing to build that wall?

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by hwntime

MexiBimmers Maybe they should change it to MMW (Mexican Motor Works)

Mexican built BMWs will be indistinguishable from their German built counterparts - except for the roundel.

[F22_Matt]

Originally Posted by morphomeman

Mexibimmers are no odder than Gritsbimmers. The largest BMW factory in the world is in Spartanburg, South Carolina. No negative effect on sales, AFAIK.
Or do you have some problem with Mexicans refusing to build that wall?

I won't speculate as to why, but a contingent of Americans are averse to purchasing cars assembled in Mexico. That's certainly not a new phenomenon.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by F22_Matt

I won't speculate as to why, but a contingent of Americans are averse to purchasing cars assembled in Mexico. That's certainly not a new phenomenon.

Sadly, you are correct, and such anxieties, based on data, are totally without merit. Quality data for many Mexican plants is excellent, as I learned when managing more than one vehicle program over my career with another vehicle manufacturer, with some plants in Mexico.

[Lynx_Rufus]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Sadly, you are correct, and such anxieties, based on data, are totally without merit. Quality data for many Mexican plants is excellent, as I learned when managing more than one vehicle program over my career with another vehicle manufacturer, with some plants in Mexico.

That's good to hear. I have heard some conflicting, if anecdotal, information from a close family member who is an engineer in the auto industry. Not about Mexico, specifically, but about quality issues that arise when production is moved.

That being said, however, one of my cars is an American built Honda with over 300K miles with zero quality related issues over it's life. Stuff wears out certainly, but the thing's bulletproof otherwise.

There is more passion associated with purchasing a BMW than a Honda, and my emotional side would prefer my German car to be made in Germany. No data to support my position, but I'm absolutely OK with that!

[Lynx_Rufus]

Really though, the essence of my original post is to see if anyone has info on the plan for MY 2020. I'm getting nervous that it's almost January, and I'm waiting on a build number. Dealer said that there were 7 allocations in the US for December?!

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Lynx_Rufus

I have heard some conflicting, if anecdotal, information from a close family member who is an engineer in the auto industry. Not about Mexico, specifically, but about quality issues that arise when production is moved.

He or she is absolutely correct about that. The "perfect storm" is:

• New platform
• New powertrain
• New plant loading
• New local supply base

That is definitely a program to watch for the first year before jumping in. If some of those are stable/carryover, the risk is reduced. But, any of these "system" potential quality spills are independent of being within or between countries. The G20 launch may be one to watch for a while to let them get some cars built at volume throughput first, but that would be true for any manufacturer in any location.

[3rdcoast228i]

[snaketh]

Originally Posted by Lynx_Rufus

I've been searching the forum for some info on the 2020 F22. I've seen that the MY19 F22 EOP is Feb 2019. Very early, presumably to accommodate the Leipzig plant expansion?

I've also noted that the follow-on G42 is projected for a Aug 21 start of production in Mexico. That leaves a pretty big gap, hopefully to be filled with the 2020 F22...but I haven't found any info. Can anyone point me to some intel on the 2020 model (such as production start, any changes...)?

If the predictions are correct, the 2020 F22 might be the last opportunity for those of us in North America to buy a German 2 Series before the MexiBimmers replace them.

You're wrong about the EOP.

The official EOP date for the current gen 2er coupe (F22) and ragtop (F23) is Oct 2021

[B58togo]

Originally Posted by morphomeman

Mexibimmers are no odder than Gritsbimmers. The largest BMW factory in the world is in Spartanburg, South Carolina. No negative effect on sales, AFAIK.
Or do you have some problem with Mexicans refusing to build that wall?

How does this even turn political??

[xantdieselx]

Originally Posted by Lynx_Rufus

Really though, the essence of my original post is to see if anyone has info on the plan for MY 2020. I'm getting nervous that it's almost January, and I'm waiting on a build number. Dealer said that there were 7 allocations in the US for December?!

Ordered my 19' 240i on 12/1 and had a production number by 12/8. Not sure how many allocations were/are available but my dealer didn't have any trouble getting one.

[Lynx_Rufus]

Originally Posted by snaketh

You're wrong about the EOP.

The official EOP date for the current gen 2er coupe (F22) and ragtop (F23) is Oct 2021

I believe you misunderstood what I originally posted. The EOP for MY19 is Feb 2019. I have confirmed that several times through multiple individuals and venues. What info I'm looking for is MY20 SOP. Based on the information you provided above, I can infer that there will be an MY20 under the current configuration, but the MY20 SOP has apparently not leaked as of yet.

[Lynx_Rufus]

Originally Posted by xantdieselx

Ordered my 19' 240i on 12/1 and had a production number by 12/8. Not sure how many allocations were/are available but my dealer didn't have any trouble getting one.

Ah, you were quicker than I was! I ordered a couple of weeks after you. So it makes sense that there weren't many Dec allocations. What was your configuration?

My more rational side tells me that I won't have any problem getting a January build, but after researching my choice for so long, the waiting is killing me!

[snaketh]

Originally Posted by Lynx_Rufus

I believe you misunderstood what I originally posted. The EOP for MY19 is Feb 2019. I have confirmed that several times through multiple individuals and venues. What info I'm looking for is MY20 SOP. Based on the information you provided above, I can infer that there will be an MY20 under the current configuration, but the MY20 SOP has apparently not leaked as of yet.

Ah sorry my bad.

[xantdieselx]

Originally Posted by Lynx_Rufus

Ah, you were quicker than I was! I ordered a couple of weeks after you. So it makes sense that there weren't many Dec allocations. What was your configuration?

My more rational side tells me that I won't have any problem getting a January build, but after researching my choice for so long, the waiting is killing me!

The wait is a killer my friend but it is ever so worth it!

My build:

19' M240i xDrive
Alpine White
Black Sensetac
Hexagon Aluminum/Black Gloss trim
719M Jet Black Wheels with Staggered Summer Tires
Premium Package
Harmon Kardon
Full Adaptive LED's
Back Kidney Grilles

[Lynx_Rufus]

Originally Posted by xantdieselx

The wait is a killer my friend but it is ever so worth it!

My build:

19' M240i xDrive
Alpine White
Black Sensetac
Hexagon Aluminum/Black Gloss trim
719M Jet Black Wheels with Staggered Summer Tires
Premium Package
Harmon Kardon
Full Adaptive LED's
Back Kidney Grilles

Nice! The black wheels and kidneys will look good with the white. Here's mine:

2019 M240i xDrive Coupe
Estoril Blue
Oyster Dakota Leather
Aluminum/Estoril Matte trim
Bi-Color wheels with staggered summer tires
Premium Pkg
Harman Kardon
Spartanburg PCD delivery

Considering tagging a 1 Day M School on to the end of the PCD if I could make that work. I'm wondering if the PCD will be enough driving to satisfy me. Alternative would be a HPDE with BMWCCA after I've had mine for a bit.

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by Lynx_Rufus

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If the predictions are correct, the 2020 F22 might be the last opportunity for those of us in North America to buy a German 2 Series before the MexiBimmers replace them.

At least you F22 coupe buyers will still be able to get a 2-series coupe beyond 2021. Those of us 2-series ragtop buyers (I'm on my 3rd one), will either have to buy the last model year 2er ragtop or settle for the next gen (G23) bloated and overpriced 4-series ragtop.

[xantdieselx]

Originally Posted by Lynx_Rufus

Nice! The black wheels and kidneys will look good with the white. Here's mine:

2019 M240i xDrive Coupe
Estoril Blue
Oyster Dakota Leather
Aluminum/Estoril Matte trim
Bi-Color wheels with staggered summer tires
Premium Pkg
Harman Kardon
Spartanburg PCD delivery

Considering tagging a 1 Day M School on to the end of the PCD if I could make that work. I'm wondering if the PCD will be enough driving to satisfy me. Alternative would be a HPDE with BMWCCA after I've had mine for a bit.

Sharp build. Estorial over Oyster should look sweet!

I've done a day school at PDC and it was a blast. I think PDC delivery is 1/2 day...not 100% sure. I can only imagine how much fun the 1 day M school is. I say go for it. It's only going to help you as a driver.

[MarkDemma]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

At least you F22 coupe buyers will still be able to get a 2-series coupe beyond 2021. Those of us 2-series ragtop buyers (I'm on my 3rd one), will either have to buy the last model year 2er ragtop or settle for the next gen (G23) bloated and overpriced 4-series ragtop.

I think BMW wants you to buy a Z4.