[Shaw]

by the way is this comparable to Mercedes B class then? and is there an equivalent Audi for this?
oh, I can definitely see tons of ladies (or moms with children) going for this car!!!

[MikeRR]

Originally Posted by Jason335iMsport

Really don't see the point of this vehicle and the 2 Series badging. Isn't this basically an X1 but FWD?

Since when the X1 has become a Minivan?!

[Shaw]

Originally Posted by captain freez

I find very confusing all the ''bashing'' of this car. obviously if you drive a 235 or an M3 this car is not meant for you... the same thing happened with Porsche when they brought out the cayenne. Everyone went apeshit about ''brand dilution'' and ''betrayal of values''. What people don't understand is that because Porsche made the cayenne they can now invest more money into making better, faster, more reliable 911's. The same is true here... while many would argue BMW doesn't need more money, having more will enable them to make more interesting halo cars. So instead of having just the M3 and M5, we're able to get an M1, M3, M5, M6 and maybe who knows one day an M7. I think this ''touring'' car will be very successful, and honestly I like it more than all the crap ugly GT 3ers and GT 5ers they're bringing out, those in my opinion, are useless cars. Honestly I think adding this car to their lineup makes more sense than most of the variants they brought out recently. I would remove the GT's all together in the lineup before I dismiss this car. The mercedes B has been very popular in canada, and i expect this one to do even better. Europe will buy it like crazy.

I read this comment after I left my own comment and I couldn't agree more...I think it is in line with what I just pointed out...not all line ups are meant to be to everyone's likings...they all have different purposes to serve...
I strongly believe this will sell well...

[Marley71]

Originally Posted by Jai 302

Someone please show this to the CEO who has plagued BMW ever since he stepped foot in the company.

Plagued them with record sales, growth and profits?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by EnI

My guess is that this time Z3 will be designed to look like a true coupe - not a roadster with an added roof to look like a coupe (or even some sort of a Shooting Brake in the original Z3 Coupe case).

Some even say - since the new sports car will be something special it may even get the Z1 moniker.

And I don't think it will feature the same silhouette as the Z4 (long bonnet, short rear) since its layout will be different (engine in the rear!).

Are you suggesting that the new Z cars could be mid-engined?

Also, if BMW does go this direction, what are they going to call the little roadster that we know they're going to make? Will it be the Q series? R series? Choose your own letter series?

I mean, if this is the way it shakes out that's good news, but it seems weird in terms of naming conventions, which would look something like this:

E82 Coupe (1 series) becomes F22 Coupe (brand new 2 series) becomes Z something? Just seems like too much work. I get that BMW is trying to move the aforementioned minivan to a more upscale price bracket, but it flies in the face of the new 1,3,5,7 vs. 2,4,6 naming conventions.

You can't tell me that they couldn't have charged 40k for this thing in the US and still made it a 1er - go down to your local Dodge or Ford dealers and take a look at the minivans. They're regularly in the 40+k range. That way you keep FWD in the 1er lineup and no where else. My 135 coupe (entry level BMW mind you) was 45k in 2010....so what's the point of all this? It seems haphazard and not very well thought out at all.

I also think it would be dumb that the only small, sporty coupe that you could get with BMW would come from a mid-engined Z moniker - not really what the company was built upon, right?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by clbmw

Erm it is RWD

They're handles for moving it not exhaust pipes.

Erm, what does RWD have to do with anything?

It just makes no effing sense to give the F22 coupe 228 single sided exhaust pipes and to give the minivan, also with a 228, dual exhaust pipes.

Perhaps BMW is trying hard to make the minivan look more sporty - like maybe no one will wonder where the wood finish is on the option list for the outside of the car if it has dual exhaust pipes.

You dig?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Shaw

I notice that most dislike comments are coming from our North American friends...
although I'm not a fan of this car myself, but I think it will be more receptive specially in the European market...lifestyle is different and the need for a smaller but roomy styled car is very much appreciated...
I could see myself buying this car when I lived in Europe back in those days...

Funny you should bring that up - BMWs are marketed to us here in the USA as a luxury vehicle. We are required to get things like leather or moon roofs, even if we don't want them.

As a result, it should not come as a surprise when most Americans consider this vehicle to be outside the normal parameters with which we are accustomed.

They can't have it both ways.

[SamS]

Originally Posted by Faust

Not bad in my opinion. The interior is really nice and let's don't forget this is a B-Class competitor so I think most people would pick this over the Mercedes hands down.

My two points of objection are:
1) why use the 2-Series nomenclature when this car has no sporting pretensions, it is FWD and an MPV. While the odd/even numbers nomenclature makes absolute sense (at least to me), odd numbers being family oriented vehicles and even numbers being sport oriented vehicles, giving this the 2-Series nomenclature makes no sense at all and generally kind of makes a mockery of it.

Originally Posted by AGAV13

Wtf is BMW doing with the nomenclature of their vehicles? They're all over the place.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/H...ame-2014-01-24

[EnI]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Are you suggesting that the new Z cars could be mid-engined?

No, only the car developed in collaboration with Toyota - which can end up being a member of Z-series. Something more like eg. more affordable Porsche Cayman. BMW car will be more performance oriented while Toyota / Prius car will focus more on efficiency.

E82 Coupe (1 series) becomes F22 Coupe (brand new 2 series) becomes Z something? Just seems like too much work. I get that BMW is trying to move the aforementioned minivan to a more upscale price bracket, but it flies in the face of the new 1,3,5,7 vs. 2,4,6 naming conventions.

2er Coupe will stay there - yet Mk2 being put on FWD platform, and performance models (M235i) being offered with AWD only. Featuring exactly the same layout & body design as F22. Being a 3-box design, front-engined. 4(+1 later) seater.

While the car developed in collaboration with Toyota will be more of a sports car. Think of it as of mini i8 - yet with more conventional design styling & materials used.

Mind the car is still under consideration and still not greenlighted as it is - but they are heading into that direction. Still quite a few years away.

[Shaw]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Funny you should bring that up - BMWs are marketed to us here in the USA as a luxury vehicle. We are required to get things like leather or moon roofs, even if we don't want them.

As a result, it should not come as a surprise when most Americans consider this vehicle to be outside the normal parameters with which we are accustomed.

They can't have it both ways.

point noted....don't forget that BMW is also a prime brand in Europe...so expectations are high there as well...
I think the majority of friends here compare apples with oranges...
I simply compare this line with a B class...I see A LOT of B classes in the street with ladies/moms being the primary driver...I can see this car (although not my taste) eat B-class for breakfast all day long!
this will be a high selling car in Europe and potentially North America (US & Canada)...mark my words...

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

It just makes no effing sense to give the F22 coupe 228 single sided exhaust pipes and to give the minivan, also with a 228, dual exhaust pipes.

Perhaps BMW is trying hard to make the minivan look more sporty - like maybe no one will wonder where the wood finish is on the option list for the outside of the car if it has dual exhaust pipes.

I posted this before, but I'll try again...

The 228i is the smaller engine available in the body, so dual outlets are reserved for the 235i. The 225iAT (not sure why you are calling the AT a 228i) is the larger engine available in the AT body, so it gets dual outputs.

Simple and completely logical.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by EnI

2er Coupe will stay there - yet Mk2 being put on FWD platform, and performance models (M235i) being offered with AWD only. Featuring exactly the same layout & body design as F22. Being a 3-box design, front-engined. 4(+1 later) seater.
.

That's my main point - the staple of BMW design - small, sporty, RWD couple with the classic design - will simply cease to exist ??!?!?

Blasphemy ! Perhaps people wouldn't want a mini i8 !

Just my opinion, but I think that's a dumb move.

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

I posted this before, but I'll try again...
The 228i is the smaller engine available in the body, so dual outlets are reserved for the 235i. The 225iAT (not sure why you are calling the AT a 228i) is the larger engine available in the AT body, so it gets dual outputs.
Simple and completely logical.

It was a joke about being a wheel barrow as everything seems a little serious on here

Never mind

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

I posted this before, but I'll try again...

The 228i is the smaller engine available in the body, so dual outlets are reserved for the 235i. The 225iAT (not sure why you are calling the AT a 228i) is the larger engine available in the AT body, so it gets dual outputs.

Simple and completely logical.

Smaller engine = dual exhaust pipes? How is that logical?

Like my N54/N55 135 has single sided pipes, but the 3er has always had dual exhaust pipes with that engine. How is that logical? Now that the M235 AND 228 have dual exhaust pipes???

I thought the minivan had 228 on the back - so my bad for missing that, and thanks for the post.

Still not logical to me.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

1.5L 3-cyl = 1/2 of a N55?
(stirring the pot)

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by clbmw

It was a joke about being a wheel barrow as everything seems a little serious on here

Never mind

Sarcasm is hard to read for me sometimes. No offense intended

My overall point is that there are so many things going on with the models and naming conventions that many of the new changes don't seem to jive.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

1.5L 3-cyl = 1/2 of a N55?
(stirring the pot)

My head is going to explode

[clbmw]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Sarcasm is hard to read for me sometimes. No offense intended

My overall point is that there are so many things going on with the models and naming conventions that many of the new changes don't seem to jive.

No worries it's just an abstraction of an old 1980's joke - what do you call a skoda with twin exhaust, a wheel barrow.

TBH I don't get a lot of BMW decisions either

E.g I don't get why the 335i gets twin exhaust while more powerful 335d gets the dual left handed pipes... Unless there's another model in the pipeline.

IMHO something changed between the concept and the production 2AT that shifted it from elegant to a little 'meh' with stretched back eyelids. Just hope the regular 2 stays RWD.

Well the more they sell the more profit the more the chance of a halo car - it's a bit of a logical fallacy but I hope that's the case.

[Pure]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Great! Any pictures, or a link to the visualizer?

Apology try to type the link several times but could not, but you say the steps are easy.

1. Visit website bmw.de
2. Write the following "2er active tourer " where its says suchen.
3. Appear Suchergebnisse word and press the sign indicates
BMW 2 Series Active Tourer : Visualizer
4. Access.

bmw.de/.../2er/activetourer/2014/visualizer.html

[Nebraska330xi]

Well I think it's a smart move, my GF likes it. It's the car for enthusiasts significant other. It's not awful looking either. Reminds me of a Golf hatch

[Law]

Originally Posted by BMWFreaky

It reminds me of this

/thread

[Law]

Couldn't help but notice that it inherited the Hofmeister kink. While a signature design of BMW, so is RWD & the two are mutually inclusive.

Aside from its pleasing visual effect, the Hofmeister kink subtly highlights a BMW trademark: rear-wheel drive.

Putting this quote (a la BMW) in a time capsule before the definition of Hofmeister kink changes.