[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Thank you!

My pleasure

[mike@x-ph.com]

Wagner EVO III

Thank you ZM2!

Alright, here are some logs on the first version of my E45 Jordan Tuned map. The map itself feels similar to OTS Stg 2 E30, so we'll amp it up in coming revisions. I'll limit my comments in this thread to just IATs.

In general, the Evo3 stays ~20F above ambient when rolling around town or just cruising, and ~25-35F if you're in traffic or stop & go. But, it drops to ~15F above ambient as soon as you accelerate or go WOT, and temps remain stable thru 5th gear. Examples:

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5ee4...0b432aeba26ce8
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5ee5...729b0f2d41897e

Here's a similar pull where I was in traffic before pulling out for clean air and doing a pull. Ambient/IAT delta starts at 35F, but drops to 19F thru 4th gear:

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5ee5...90c61ca6d7fd52

And here are some back to back 3-4 pulls with hard braking in between. Ambient/IAT delta drops to 16F in the first 3-4 pull and increases to 26F after the 7th pull. This compares to a 50F ambient/IAT delta increase with my Evo2 in back to back pulls (second link):

https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5ee4...729b0ea9b3c476
https://www.bootmod3.net/log?id=5d72...90c6192c630438

Overall, it's interesting how this IC behaves. Ambient/IAT delta when driving normally isn't anything to write home about, but isn't bad either. But, when under load the Evo3's ability to shed heat and keep the ambient/IAT delta in check is pretty impressive, especially into 5th gear.

How it will perform on a hot track day is still an open question. Altho, from previous experience I can say that my method of back-to-back street pulls and hard braking are pretty taxing and just about as taxing (temp wise) as when I'm on track. As SeanWRT once said, my street logs highlight the excellent stopping power of my AP Racing BBK.


Lastly, I didn’t have room to wring it out thru 5th on each pull like I wanted, so I’ll do try to do that as I get tune revisions so we can see how things hold up as I’m really taxing the car.

Either way, I'm pretty stoked about the Evo3 and what looks to be good WOT IAT management during back to back pulls from an IC that doesn't increase lag, doesn't weight 40lbs, and that mounts securely to the crash bumper.

[RandomBMW]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Wagner EVO III

Either way, I'm pretty stoked about the Evo3 and what looks to be good WOT IAT management during back to back pulls from an IC that doesn't increase lag, doesn't weight 40lbs, and that mounts securely to the crash bumper.

Hey Mike,

You don't happen to have the IC weights listed anywhere, do you? I assume the EVO III is aluminum, where the others are steel?

Thanks!

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by RandomBMW

Hey Mike,

You don't happen to have the IC weights listed anywhere, do you? I assume the EVO III is aluminum, where the others are steel?

Thanks!

I only their weight with the box and packaging

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by RandomBMW

Hey Mike,

You don't happen to have the IC weights listed anywhere, do you? I assume the EVO III is aluminum, where the others are steel?

Thanks!

They should all be aluminum. Wagner Evo 3 is approximately 24+/- I know the Evo 2 is about 18lbs or so

[mike@x-ph.com]

CSF F Chassis Intercooler

[Dumaurier7]

Hi all! New to this forum so I'm still feeling my way around. I stumbled on this thread which has a lot of great info but I'm wondering how come the Dinan dual core intercooler wasn't mentioned here?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Dumaurier7

Hi all! New to this forum so I'm still feeling my way around. I stumbled on this thread which has a lot of great info but I'm wondering how come the Dinan dual core intercooler wasn't mentioned here?

Because it costs more and performs average.

[Dumaurier7]

Originally Posted by Dumaurier7

Hi all! New to this forum so I'm still feeling my way around. I stumbled on this thread which has a lot of great info but I'm wondering how come the Dinan dual core intercooler wasn't mentioned here?

Because it costs more and performs average.[/QUOTE]

Nice to know! It was installed in my car when I bought it

[WiM235i]

Mike at XPH recommended the Wagner Evo II for my 2016rm M235i. My car is stock in the engine compartment. I will be going to track days, so I wanted an Intercooler that would perform well once the car heated up from several laps. A unexpected bonus was better performance in everyday use. The shift from first to second is now smoother as it feels like the engine has more torque. Installation of the Intercooler with new charge pipe and boost pipe took about half a day, taking my time to get the pipes adjusted so that they wouldn’t interfere with any of the rest of the plumbing on the car. Thanks Mike!

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by WiM235i

Mike at XPH recommended the Wagner Evo II for my 2016rm M235i. My car is stock in the engine compartment. I will be going to track days, so I wanted an Intercooler that would perform well once the car heated up from several laps. A unexpected bonus was better performance in everyday use. The shift from first to second is now smoother as it feels like the engine has more torque. Installation of the Intercooler with new charge pipe and boost pipe took about half a day, taking my time to get the pipes adjusted so that they wouldn’t interfere with any of the rest of the plumbing on the car. Thanks Mike!

My pleasure, congrats

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by WiM235i

Mike at XPH recommended the Wagner Evo II for my 2016rm M235i. My car is stock in the engine compartment. I will be going to track days, so I wanted an Intercooler that would perform well once the car heated up from several laps. A unexpected bonus was better performance in everyday use. The shift from first to second is now smoother as it feels like the engine has more torque. Installation of the Intercooler with new charge pipe and boost pipe took about half a day, taking my time to get the pipes adjusted so that they wouldn’t interfere with any of the rest of the plumbing on the car. Thanks Mike!

I would disagree with Mike - the Evo 2 is the least track worthy ‘stage 2’ intercooler, but glad it works well for you.

[WiM235i]

Why do you say that?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by WiM235i

Why do you say that?

Because it’s true. It has less thermal capacity than the other intercoolers in that range, and it’s absolutely more expensive. There are multiple post on the forum where the Evo2 is shown to do a poor job of keeping IATs low, especially on the track.
Everything about that IC is marketing.

[JY01]

What's the general consensus on the CSF intercooler?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by jy228

What's the general consensus on the CSF intercooler?

Very high-quality product, one of the best on the market

[mike@x-ph.com]

CSF Intercoolers

[Drsoto]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

VRSF 5" Intercooler HD

Hi Mike ,

The AA Intercooler is considered 5 or 6" ? its comparable with the VRSF 5" Intercooler HD when comes to performance ?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Drsoto

Hi Mike ,

The AA Intercooler is considered 5 or 6" ? its comparable with the VRSF 5" Intercooler HD when comes to performance ?

The Active Autowerke is a 5"

We sold hundreds of the Active Autowerke intercoolers, its a great intercooler for stock or lightly tuned cars as its got decent cooling, recovery, and pressure airdrop. Its also lightweight

[Drsoto]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

They should all be aluminum. Wagner Evo 3 is approximately 24+/- I know the Evo 2 is about 18lbs or so

Do any one know the size and weight of VRSF HD 5' and 6.5" ? Difficult to find anywhere

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Drsoto

Do any one know the size and weight of VRSF HD 5' and 6.5" ? Difficult to find anywhere

They the dimensions listed on their webpage, but the VRSF 5" is likely the same weight as other 5" cores. While the comp and race are 27-32lbs.

[Steventalon1]

I just purchased a Wagner Evo 3 for the M235i from Extreme Power House. I will be taking out the bar & plate VRSF when I install the Pure Stage 2. I want a really good setup for street fun. Has anyone else installed this intercooler?

Mike, do these get damaged often on the road? Also are these pretty straight forward to install?