[freakystyly]

Or just DD the car in the winter like I have been, you'll learn pretty quick what the laws of physics have to say about your open diff.

Lol, looks like the differential video made an appearance on the OT section. https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1926434

[Zircular]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

Or just DD the car in the winter like I have been, you'll learn pretty quick what the laws of physics have to say about your open diff.

Lol, looks like the differential video made an appearance on the OT section. https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1926434

Haha I was just returning to this thread to say pretty much that. I learned car control in New England winters with RWD, open diff, no abs, no traction control. Hopefully nobody watching. I also learned what one wheel can and mostly cannot do all by itself. I would have killed for a LSD back then. (But, still believing I was made of rubber and magic, I had a pretty good time learning to trick the car into doing mostly what I wanted.)

[harma24]

Originally Posted by Zircular

I learned car control in New England winters with RWD, open diff, no abs, no traction control.

Same in a friend's car, but with tires older and balder than I am! That experience scared me into getting xDrive since this is my daily driver throughout winter regardless of how hard the snow is falling.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by Gregoryb01

You could turn everything off, all the Nannie’s and find out for yourself, but I would not recommend it.

I have to admit I do find this pretty funny. We've gotten accustomed to putting so much faith into the handling safeguards of our cars and not our abilities. Now when we turn everything off, we assume we're now driving Mustangs leaving a cars and coffee event.

I started driving back in the late 1980s and didn't have a car with ABS until 1996. I piloted a 94 Z28 with around 320hp/350tq through 4 snowy winters on all season tires in the hills no less. I also drove my buddies 87 LX 5.0 and 90 LX 5.0 Mustangs in all weather conditions and those cars didn't have ABS and both had rear drum brakes. I didn't wreck any of those cars. My first car with stability control was my prior 2012 WRX

[aerobod]

A lot of the time I think people use driver aids to help save them when they go beyond the car's limits or are not paying the relevant amount of attention that they should be while driving.

ABS allows a car to be taken deeper into a corner without risk of increasing braking distance if a wheel locks on a non-ABS equipped car, whereas perhaps slightly earlier braking is a better strategy. Stability control can compensate for lack of awareness of the traction available at the tyres. Blindspot monitoring and lane-keeping compensates for sloppy or dangerous lane changes.

Certainly driver aids have helped make driving safer overall, but I don't think they have made drivers any better, perhaps more responsible than anything in lowering the standards of driving as many people do things they wouldn't have otherwise, expecting the driver aids to save them from any misjudgement..

[SoftShoe]

Driver aids
I don’t know which came first, the tachometer or speedometer.
And now we’re (almost) at self-driving cars.

Still, some of us choose to row our own.
Others choose to let the car ever keep the wheels from slipping.

I choose to understand the aids and what they do and when that will help me get the car to do what I want it to do.

And, like I’ve never appreciated pilots who don’t want to fly aerobatics, I’ve never really appreciated drivers who don’t really want to know how to drive their car without the nannies on.

Though we’re running out of ways to turn them off.