[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by CP911

I don't know. .................................................. ........................ The F2x generation 2-series will end up selling about 75k units when it's all said and done. .................................................. .................................................. .

According to carsalesbase.com, the total sales of 2-series coupes and ragtops from CY2013 through CY2018 (U.S. and Europe only) has been 197,088 vehicles (see below) add another 50K+ for the ROW and we're talking about more than a quarter million 2 series coupes ragtop sales todate with another 3 years of sales left. Could hit 350 - 450K units before end of this gen run.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales.../bmw-2-series/

U.S 2-series sales:
2018 9,208
2017 11,737
2016 15,519
2015 13,020
2014 7,270


European 2-series coupe/ragtop sales:
2018 35,269
2017 29,922
2016 33,461
2015 27,443
2014 13,981
2013 258

[CP911]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

According to carsalesbase.com, the total sales of 2-series coupes and ragtops from CY2013 through CY2018 (U.S. and Europe only) has been 197,088 vehicles (see below) add another 50K+ for the ROW and we're talking about more than a quarter million 2 series coupes ragtop sales todate with another 3 years of sales left. Could hit 350 - 450K units before end of this gen run.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-2-series/

U.S 2-series sales:
2018 9,208
2017 11,737
2016 15,519
2015 13,020
2014 7,270


European 2-series coupe/ragtop sales:
2018 35,269
2017 29,922
2016 33,461
2015 27,443
2014 13,981
2013 258

Thanks for posting this data. My numbers were looking at US sales alone. Your data shows some significant sales when factoring in Europe and ROW. All more reason to believe BMW won't be so foolish as to neuter the coupe with FWD.

[keylime503]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

I think we place too much weight on vehicle nomenclature when trying to predict future plans. From an Engineering/Program Manager point of view, the nomenclature is another assembly plant end item - the badge, and does not control the original dynamic objectives. They let Marketing decide what the name will be. The use of "2" appears to denote not much more than smaller than "3", and not necessarily a need for platform sharing across all "2" models. I think BMW understands that for their brand's more performance-oriented coupe to thrive, it needs not to be FWD, while the research may well support that those who consider a sedan/4-door "coupe" place less emphasis on pure performance and will accept the trade-off for the benefits FWD provides to them. If it weren't so efficient and easy for the general BMW buying public to understand, Marketing might just as well have come up with a different name for the coupe versus the sedan, just as with 3 vs. 4 Series...but 1 is taken and they are running out of intervening numbers.

+1. Marketing names are largely irrelevant to the R&D teams. They don't think about continuing the "2 series" they think about continuing their sub-compact 2-door RWD platform.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by keylime503

+1. Marketing names are largely irrelevant to the R&D teams. They don't think about continuing the "2 series" they think about continuing their sub-compact 2-door RWD platform.

Exactly...could just as easily be the 430iS/M440iS...the S stands for Short!

That way, it would make all the sense in the world to some that a short 4 Series coupe remains RWD base with XDrive available.

Yeah, this is nonsense, but nomenclature often is.

[damills]

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/07/03/t...r-wheel-drive/

[CP911]

Originally Posted by damills

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/07/03/t...r-wheel-drive/

Good news, but it still doesn't seem clear whether or not the B58 engine will continue to be a part of the lineup. Seems like BMWblog is speculating that the M240i will still be around, however, it very well could end up being a M235i with the juiced up 4-cylinder instead like we have with the X2 and newly released M135i.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CP911

Good news, but it still doesn't seem clear whether or not the B58 engine will continue to be a part of the lineup. Seems like BMWblog is speculating that the M240i will still be around, however, it very well could end up being a M235i with the juiced up 4-cylinder instead like we have with the X2 and newly released M135i.

I could see them putting a 4 cylinder in the next gen M235i.

The M235i usually follow the European M135i G series and that doesn't come with a B58 anymore. So the writing is on the wall..

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I could see them putting a 4 cylinder in the next gen M235i.

The M235i usually follow the European M135i G series and that doesn't come with a B58 anymore. So the writing is on the wall..

Not gonna be a next-gen M235i.
There'll be an 230i with a 4 banger and a M240i with a 6 pack, just like its larger siblings (aka the 3 & 4 series).

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

Not gonna be a next-gen M235i.
There'll be an 230i with a 4 banger and a M240i with a 6 pack, just like its larger siblings (aka the 3 & 4 series).

They have a 2020 M235i Grand Coupe, on the way.. Why not carry on the same lineage if it's more than likely, going to share the same motor.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...spy-video/amp/

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by Poochie

They have a 2020 M235i Grand Coupe, on the way.. Why not carry on the same lineage if it's more than likely, going to share the same motor.

Yah, O.K., but I wasn't referring to the FWD Grand Coupe which is a horse of a different colour.
I was referring to the next-gen vehicles which replace the models on the 2Addicts forum.
The 2 series rear wheel drive next gen coupe will have either the 4 banger 230i/230xi or the 6 pack M240i/M240xi.

[Luftwaffe1O1]

I highly doubt they would drop the 6 cylinder 2 series. They would then have nothing in that segment to compete with the s3. Granted they could do a higher output 4 cylinder... but why? They have an engine ready to go...

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by bimmerfile

Yah, O.K., but I wasn't referring to the FWD Grand Coupe which is a horse of a different colour.
I was referring to the next-gen vehicles which replace the models on the 2Addicts forum.
The 2 series rear wheel drive next gen coupe will have either the 4 banger 230i/230xi or the 6 pack M240i/M240xi.

Since you seem to have all the answers before BMW does, are they going to offer a manual option in their supposed '40i' variant?

[keylime503]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe1O1

I highly doubt they would drop the 6 cylinder 2 series. They would then have nothing in that segment to compete with the s3. Granted they could do a higher output 4 cylinder... but why? They have an engine ready to go...

The S3 is a 4 cylinder

[CP911]

Originally Posted by Luftwaffe1O1

I highly doubt they would drop the 6 cylinder 2 series. They would then have nothing in that segment to compete with the s3. Granted they could do a higher output 4 cylinder... but why? They have an engine ready to go...

I hope you are right, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did drop the 6-cylinder. A higher output 4-cylinder would suit the car better in all reality, while possibly promoting more sales of the pricier M2. A 4-pot M235i would need to be 340HP+ and still sound decent to even be worth a look though.

[WolfGTI]

Definitely not interested in turbo 4, might make decent power, but will never possess the charisma of the 6 pot, in smoothness, sound or power delivery.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CP911

I hope you are right, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did drop the 6-cylinder. A higher output 4-cylinder would suit the car better in all reality, while possibly promoting more sales of the pricier M2. A 4-pot M235i would need to be 340HP+ and still sound decent to even be worth a look though.

This is exactly what's going to happen; this time around, since they have a longer gestation period to play with, they'll want to place some distance between the top-tier 2 series and the M2, unlike the originally M2, which had the same motor and standard features, as the M235i.

[dlewis23]

Originally Posted by Ron Jeffries

i predict it will be front wheel drive.

I would be gone if this happened. But I doubt it will happen.