[Jockey]

FWD BMW?

[SCOTT26]

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[swagon]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

(BMW M are fighting for RWD because the M2 is apparently even more outstanding than the 1er M Coupe)

Wow. Great info again, Scott.

However, pardon my ignorance, but why did not BMW name the Active Tourer as a 1er? Since the 2 Series is RWD (for this gen.), I thought one of the reasons for splitting the naming system was to differentiate between the FWD next-gen 1er and RWD 2er.

THanks.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

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This is RWD 2 Series GranCoupé F2X. Is it coming?

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Enilder

It'd be hilarious if they offer FWD M...

It's coming!!! I bet my first born!! Ironically I would prefer M front drive to M SUVs. We already hit bottom with those. I get the feeling that BMW is following not leading to their detriment. The gti and golf R Audi S3 are great cars that most of us poo poo only because fwd. Chris Harris loved the Golf R but was willing to put up with inferior suspension of 235 because it was RWD. You make 48K fwd 2 series I get gti, golf R, Audi S3, Sti etc. For half price or close to it.

[maddoc]

Who the hell wants a FWD BMW!

[ALPINA B5]

don turn BMW into Audi for fu*ks sake

[ron_jeremy]

Ok, we need a 2'er GC, and surely.
The next 2 series need to be RWD, it's a new generation, surely bigger than it's current offerings.
It's the E30/36 sized car, 3/4 are like a 6 series these days.
The 2 is becoming the most sporty offerings BMW have, and it need to have RWD, anything else is not Acceptable!

[pikcachu]

Worst case, if the next 2 is fwd it will only increase the resale value of the current 2 and make it easier to get a 911 :-D

[Roundown]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Interesting update - UKL platform is a modular chassis and can be adapted/subtracted as FWD or RWD.

Full decision on the next 2 Series is not final yet (full decision will be taken by the end of the year) and can use the UKL chassis but can adapted for RWD. (BMW M are fighting for RWD because the M2 is apparently even more outstanding than the 1er M Coupe).

What the strategy aims to show is a split between the 1er and 2er, but vehicles that cannot compromise on space and versatility will be addressed via FWD namely the 1er , X1 , X2 and Active/Gran Tourers.

THIS is the 1er Sedan but the strategy involves a 2er Gran Coupe. So that compact entry lines will mirror the upper segments in the BMW portfolio.

The G chassis or 35Up (more info on 35Up platform) is too expensive to use for smaller compact cars and therefore starts with the 3er or in the case of the first entry model the G01 X3.

God speed MGmBh

[bimmerbuff]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Full decision on the next 2 Series is not final yet (full decision will be taken by the end of the year) and can use the UKL chassis but can adapted for RWD. (BMW M are fighting for RWD because the M2 is apparently even more outstanding than the 1er M Coupe).

This is a textbook example of a no-brainer, so let's all hope that ///M wins the battle.

The cars on the 35up platform are too big. BMW needs to keep at least one small RWD car in the lineup on the new UKL platform. Otherwise, like pikcachu said, people here will be taking a trip to Stuttgart.

Hell, the original Olympic advertising for the 2-Series shows it as taking the torch from the 2002. If the next generation 2-Series is FWD, they'll need to be another advertisement passing the torch back.

Thanks for the information as always, Scott. If there's anything we can do in the enthusiast community to influence this to the RWD side, let us know.

[Dackelone]

@Scott26

Originally Posted by clbmw

Now all we need to know is what and when is BMW's answer to the 911 Turbo S and McLaren 650S coming?

I don't know the WHAT part... but I do KNOW the WHEN part: 2016, BMW's 100th birthday. Something special is coming!

[hellrotm]

If I wanted a fwd car I would shop else where. I don't buy BMW's because of superior luxury or build quality/reliability. I buy BMW's because they drive best and that includes having rwd.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

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That's what I'm talkin about.

2 series gran coupe !

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bimmerbuff

This is a textbook example of a no-brainer, so let's all hope that ///M wins the battle.

The cars on the 35up platform are too big. BMW needs to keep at least one small RWD car in the lineup on the new UKL platform. Otherwise, like pikcachu said, people here will be taking a trip to Stuttgart.

Hell, the original Olympic advertising for the 2-Series shows it as taking the torch from the 2002. If the next generation 2-Series is FWD, they'll need to be another advertisement passing the torch back.

Thanks for the information as always, Scott. If there's anything we can do in the enthusiast community to influence this to the RWD side, let us know.

:Bellyroll

[X3paul]

Originally Posted by Enilder

It'd be hilarious if they offer FWD M...

It will happen. enthusiasts are a drop in the ocean and current bmw board are all about profit. No passion. every other "rule" as been broken - and quote "there wont b any m suv...there wont be 4wd m models (next gen M5/6 will) etc so i dont see how fwd wont be in the mix at some point. Good thing autotrader keeps a good stock of csl's , z4 m coups and V10 monsters for us crazy's

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

If I wanted a fwd car I would shop else where. I don't buy BMW's because of superior luxury or build quality/reliability. I buy BMW's because they drive best and that includes having rwd.

So you think BMW is incapable of building a FWD car that drives well ?



15 years ago were you saying you don't want BMW to make an SAV because they make great sports sedans?

I'm not saying I want this to be Fwd either but I would still certainly say it is possible can make a great handling FWD car.

Indeed I PREFER RWD layout and handling.... just sayin' that if they do make a fwd chassis it will certainly have good driving dynamics and be a good car. It just won't be a car I would buy.

[Golden Arrow]

C'mon BMW, stick to RWD! We should bombard BMW GmbH with letters and phone calls informing them of how important it is to stick with RWD.

[Wolf]

one thing for sure.. I am not buying a 45k front wheel drive car

[X3paul]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

So you think BMW is incapable of building a FWD car that drives well ?



15 years ago were you saying you don't want BMW to make an SAV because they make great sports sedans?

I'm not saying I want this to be Fwd either but I would still certainly say it is possible can make a great handling FWD car.

Indeed I PREFER RWD layout and handling.... just sayin' that if they do make a fwd chassis it will certainly have good driving dynamics and be a good car. It just won't be a car I would buy.

If bmw cant even make a proper eps steering how can we expect it to make a proper fwd car? you cant change the laws of physics. Audi plays that game for a long time and I never driven a fwd audi that put a smile on my face.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Interesting update - UKL platform is a modular chassis and can be adapted/subtracted as FWD or RWD.

Full decision on the next 2 Series is not final yet (full decision will be taken by the end of the year) and can use the UKL chassis but can adapted for RWD. (BMW M are fighting for RWD because the M2 is apparently even more outstanding than the 1er M Coupe).

What the strategy aims to show is a split between the 1er and 2er, but vehicles that cannot compromise on space and versatility will be addressed via FWD namely the 1er , X1 , X2 and Active/Gran Tourers.

THIS is the 1er Sedan but the strategy involves a 2er Gran Coupe. So that compact entry lines will mirror the upper segments in the BMW portfolio.

The G chassis or 35Up (more info on 35Up platform) is too expensive to use for smaller compact cars and therefore starts with the 3er or in the case of the first entry model the G01 X3.

I hope is a joke.
My wife loves her X1 very much, and we find it very spacious for our needs. If somebody wants more space, than pick another vehicle, there is a limit you can do with a certain class.

If X1 will be FWD goodbye, I don't want a compromised vehicle.

In regards with the 2 series, keep it RWD for God's sake and offer AWD as an option, nobody needs a FWD car.

I read all the time, "Sales record", "Best month" etc, How much profit they need? Why not fix the issues, improve everything to perfect these machines and make them benchmark in every class?

BMW, Once you start to cheap it out, you will loose what defines you: driving experience, status, image. Keep it this way and you will be the next Volks Wagen.

[X3paul]

Originally Posted by Tracus

I hope is a joke.
My wife loves her X1 very much, and we find it very spacious for our needs. If somebody wants more space, than pick another vehicle, there is a limit you can do with a certain class.

If X1 will be FWD goodbye, I don't want a compromised vehicle.

In regards with the 2 series, keep it RWD for God's sake and offer AWD as an option, nobody needs a FWD car.

I read all the time, "Sales record", "Best month" etc, How much profit they need? Why not fix the issues, improve everything to perfect these machines and make them benchmark in every class?

BMW, Once you start to cheap it out, you will loose what defines you: driving experience, status, image. Keep it this way and you will be the next Volks Wagen.

You are not far from the truth. in some markets, despite what some people inside bmw will tell, you audi is the premium sport brand believe it or not.