[TrboMike]

Originally Posted by SerenVoX

Why would you need to drop in camber plates etc? You have an M235i? I imagine these wheels at et44 and 8.5 will be a really good fit? Can even lower car and not rub I believe.. I will be pairing these wheels with some progressive springs from MSS.

I'm researching square 245/35-18 on 18x8 +43 for myself which is known to work for many RWD F22's. But I'm AWD/XDrive and I dont think it will work with the front XDrive suspension closer to the wheels.

Or is there any data showing a tight square combo like this will work with XDrive?

[SerenVoX]

Here it is. Alpine White 2015 M235XI on T-S5 Forged, with B16 Bilstein Coilovers. Wheels were purchased from
https://titan-7.com/products/t-s5-fo...30469395873880
**Please select the BMW E8X 1 SERIES '04-'11
SIZE is 18X8.5 +44 SQUARE
SATIN TITANIUM
NO SPACERS REAR.... FRONTS HAVE 5mm SPACERS
TIRES ARE YOKOHAMA ADVAN A052 235/40/18 SQUARE
MOTORWORKS STUD KIT WITH RACING LUGS
NO RUB**
PLEASE SEE SIGNATURE FOR OTHER MODS.

[SerenVoX]

Originally Posted by TrboMike

I'm researching square 245/35-18 on 18x8 +43 for myself which is known to work for many RWD F22's. But I'm AWD/XDrive and I dont think it will work with the front XDrive suspension closer to the wheels.

Or is there any data showing a tight square combo like this will work with XDrive?

Here is a photo with the setup I've been using for 3yrs before getting the new Titan7s. I am also XDRIVE, ZERO RUB on stock suspension and ZERO RUB on the new B16 Bilstein Coilovers.

FORGESTAR F14s
FRONT RIM: 18x8.5, +39
REAR RIM: 18x9.5, +45
FRONT TIRE: RE71r 235/40/18
REAR TIRE: RE71r 265/35/18

[ifobd]

Originally Posted by TrboMike

I'm researching square 245/35-18 on 18x8 +43 for myself which is known to work for many RWD F22's. But I'm AWD/XDrive and I dont think it will work with the front XDrive suspension closer to the wheels.

Or is there any data showing a tight square combo like this will work with XDrive?

Xdrive,dinan springs 18x8.5 et38 square w/mps4s 245/35. No rubbing, no problems

[TrboMike]

Seren- since you had 5mm spaces on the first setup, the offset is exactly the same with your second setup (because of spacer). So you had the tire and rim the same distance to the strut as OEM wheels. But your tire is 18mm further towards fender. So I learned with stock suspension I can have a tire 18mm out more than OEM without rubbing. When you switched to the Bilstein coilovers how much did you drop in the front? And did you alter alignment when you put them in (like camber) and still get no rub?

ifobd- your setup is also the same distance to the suspension, but your tires stick out an extra 24mm! And you still dont rub AND you are lowered! Wow! Did you alter the OEM alignment like camber to get that to not rub?

[4Hockey4]

Man the Titan 7 TS-5 look so bad ass, hope they hurry up and make my black ones !!

Did you try with 3mm or none ? guessing with lower that wouldn't work..congrats and thx to you and Doc for finding, one of the best looking rims on F22 I've seen here, and $500 for forged...sweetness

[Devil doc]

Originally Posted by 4Hockey4

Man the Titan 7 TS-5 look so bad ass, hope they hurry up and make my black ones !!

Did you try with 3mm or none ? guessing with lower that wouldn't work..congrats and thx to you and Doc for finding, one of the best looking rims on F22 I've seen here, and $500 for forged...sweetness

Sorry man, I didn’t flip the spacers this weekend, it’s been 100 degrees in fl in the last few days.

[4Hockey4]

Originally Posted by Devil doc

Sorry man, I didn’t flip the spacers this weekend, it’s been 100 degrees in fl in the last few days.

lol no worries, was asking SerenVOx, but with lowered doubtful. I'll probably order 3mm set and go rear with none (if I can go with nada up front bonus)

Friggin things wont be in until end of August probably !!

(it was 90 in Richmond, wife and I headed in vert to top of mountain and it was only 72...real nice)

FYI - If any one orders these Titan wheel, looking at 60-90 days build.

Also if interested in "professional" review, Dogbone does at post # 761

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showth...158445&page=35

[Devil doc]

Originally Posted by 4Hockey4

lol no worries, was asking SerenVOx, but with lowered doubtful. I'll probably order 3mm set and go rear with none (if I can go with nada up front bonus)

Friggin things wont be in until end of August probably !!

(it was 90 in Richmond, wife and I headed in vert to top of mountain and it was only 72...real nice)

FYI - If any one orders these Titan wheel, looking at 60-90 days build.

Also if interested in "professional" review, Dogbone does at post # 761

https://www.m3post.com/forums/showth...158445&page=35

Ok, after I wrote the response I went outside and the sun was setting so the temp was a little lower, anyways I flipped the spacers and even tried the wheels without the spacers.

18x8.5 et44 235/40/18 squared (Xdrive, stock suspension, and stock fenders).
-Front 0 spacer (et44): does not rub the strut, but it is VERY close, I drove it around for a few blocks and didn’t feel any rub or see any signs of rub against the strut. However; it was closer than I felt confortable with.

-Front 3mm (et41): a little more room against the strut, and it gives a really flush look against the fender edge.

-Front 5mm (et39): decent amount of room against the strut and a hair of fender poke, but not what I would consider “aggressive”

-Conclusion for the front: I like the front 3mm spacer combination the most because it clears the strut with a little more room, and you get a flush look against the fender with no poke. As I suspected you really cant go wrong with either a 3 or 5 mm spacer in the front, its just depends on the look you want. They will both clear a 235 well.

-Rear 0 spacer (et44): fits fine but still has room before you get anywhere near the fender. It’s more of a personal preference and the look you’re after (flush look or not). It is still more aggressive than oem. I didn’t personally like it, but wouldn’t care enough to get rear spacer set if I didn’t already have them, specially I were to run a wider tire like a 255.

-Rear 3mm (et41): looks better, and is a little closer to the fender edge. Probably where you want to be if you go low and run a wider tire like a 245/255; However, with a 235 tire you still have a little more room to go before you contact the fender edge. I ran this with a 235 and was happy because it was flush but conservative.

-Rear 5mm (et39): no poke, this is actually a pretty flush look. You can still easily run a wider tire like a 245, and probably a 255 if you add a little negative camber. So far my favorite look for a 235 tire.

-Conclusion for the rear: I tried all 3 combinations and with a 235 tire, and my favorite configuration was the et39 (5mm spacer). You get a flush look because It lines up the edges of the rim and fender together giving you a pretty clean look.

The Reality is that all you need is a front 3mm spacer, anything more than that is entirely for personal preference. I liked the front 3mm spacer and 5mm rear spacer combination the most, it centers the wheels nicely within the F22’s available room, and it should allow you to lower the suspension or run wider tires without too much trouble. Again, this was done at the stock suspension ride height, so if you lower your car you will gain some negative camber, leaving you with the ability to run a slightly lower ET configuration if you wanted to.

[4Hockey4]

wow thx for all of that, all great info. I think I'm gonna order 2 sets of 3mm spacers and go from there. I don't like poke, and guessing a bit more conservative the better for me.

Info on no spacer is good, and even surprised you could pull off at all with 8.5 wheel.

[Devil doc]

Originally Posted by 4Hockey4

wow thx for all of that, all great info. I think I'm gonna order 2 sets of 3mm spacers and go from there. I don't like poke, and guessing a bit more conservative the better for me.

Info on no spacer is good, and even surprised you could pull off at all with 8.5 wheel.

You should be pretty happy by running a 3mm square spacer set up. If I didn’t already have a 3/5 set, I would totally run 3mm all around, in fact down the line I will probably order a set of 3mm spacers for the rear whenever my current 235 tires wear out and I switch over to a wider square set up.

The wheels did fit without the spacer in the front, and while I didn’t feel or hear any signs or contact, the edge of the tire/wheel was VERY close to the strut. Close enough that I worried the suspension could run into issues when exposed to a wider variety of driving conditions due to the shear proximity between the two. Needless to say, It didn’t feel confident to leave it without any front spacers.

I did inspect the strut after the drive, I looked for signs of contact. However; I didn’t see any scoffing in the strut’s paint or disturbances in the dirt coat.

The picture shows you the new front et41 (3mm spacer) configuration. If you look at it straight down you cant see the wheel/tire, but you look at it from a very slight angle over the top, then you’ll see how how flush it is.

[ifobd]

Originally Posted by TrboMike

Seren- since you had 5mm spaces on the first setup, the offset is exactly the same with your second setup (because of spacer). So you had the tire and rim the same distance to the strut as OEM wheels. But your tire is 18mm further towards fender. So I learned with stock suspension I can have a tire 18mm out more than OEM without rubbing. When you switched to the Bilstein coilovers how much did you drop in the front? And did you alter alignment when you put them in (like camber) and still get no rub?

ifobd- your setup is also the same distance to the suspension, but your tires stick out an extra 24mm! And you still dont rub AND you are lowered! Wow! Did you alter the OEM alignment like camber to get that to not rub?

Other than springs, no modifications to the suspension. Lowering i believe does increase camber a small amount

[TrboMike]

According to the calculator I'm using, DevilDoc's 235/40-18 on 18x8.5 +44:
Tire is 4mm closer to suspension, 6mm closer to fender. Wheel is 12mm closer to suspension. And he says its not rubbing while sitting but too close for comfort if the car was moving.

When he puts on a 3mm spacer:
Tire is 1mm closer to suspension, 9mm closer to fender. Wheel is 9mm closer to suspension. He says this should work.

And of course everything moves 2mm more with a 5mm spacer:
Tire is 1mm FURTHER FROM suspension, 11mm closer to fender. Wheel is 7mm closer to suspension.

Doc- when you mounted without a spacer and said it fit but was crazy close, would you say the TIRE was too close or WHEEL was too close or BOTH?

[Devil doc]

Originally Posted by TrboMike

According to the calculator I'm using, DevilDoc's 235/40-18 on 18x8.5 +44:
Doc- when you mounted without a spacer and said it fit but was crazy close, would you say the TIRE was too close or WHEEL was too close or BOTH?

I would say in my case is both, the lip of the rim and the edge of the tire around the lip are about even. Remember that a 235/40 on a 8.5” rim is generally slightly stretched fitment so if you’re going to run into issues it’s going to come around lip area, this can vary between tire brands since some of them run on the smaller/larger side of the stated specs, also some companies have a more pronounced squared shoulder design as well; which may or may not affect how much the tire covers the rim past the edge.

For example, my wife’s f30 runs michelin AS3s which have a pronounced sidewall profile that extends past the rim’s lip, but the Potenzas in my car don’t have that extra bit of rubber around the lip, which in this case helps to lessen the probability of interference against the strut.

In the pictures bellow, you can see how the Michelin (vw) has a bit of extra rubber in the sidewall that extends past the lip, and the Potenza doesn’t. This is not a big deal if you have room to spare but would be an issue if you run an aggressive fitment. I personally like the Michelin’s profile because you get a bit of extra safety against curb rash. These tires are both 235/40/18s on a 18x8.5” rim, so you can get a fair comparison between the two tire profiles.

[4Hockey4]

Great detail, I'm going PS4S, so guessing a pretty flat side wall comparatively.

Man that close up, lol I cant wait 2 months arrgghhhh

[ckeasterling56]

Originally Posted by Mark.h

Love the pics of the titan 7 wheels. I was between the ts-5's and variant alloy's xenon wheels. Ended up going with variant alloys. They're not fully forged, only flow formed but about $1700 for the set including ceramic coating. Went with a 19x8.5 +35 square set up 245/35/19.

Question for Mark.h. I'm trying to decided on new wheels/tires for my '16 M235i xDrive and thinking I should go with square set-up since its AWD. I kind of want to go with 19' wheels with the widest tires I can fit but nervous about ride quality/noise/potential wheel damage. You are the first person I've seen post with 245/35/19's. All other 19" 245's I've seen have been 245/30. I know the 245/35 is a tall tire but I don't plan to lower and the tall tire fills out the wheel wells nicely on your car. Also, I would think the 1/2" taller sidewall, compared the 245/30, would reduce harshness/noise some. Mark.h, I'm really interested to hear your comments, especially if you came from the stock 18" staggered which is what I have.

[SerenVoX]

Just a couple better shots of the Titan 7s on Bilstien B16 coilovers. 5mm spacers front.

[ifobd]

Originally Posted by SerenVoX

Just a couple better shots of the Titan 7s on Bilstien B16 coilovers. 5mm spacers front.

What are your wheel specs? Xdrive? Do the b16s offer more room for a wider wheel?

[SerenVoX]

Originally Posted by ifobd

What are your wheel specs? Xdrive? Do the b16s offer more room for a wider wheel?

18X8.5 +44 SQUARE
SATIN TITANIUM
NO SPACERS REAR
FRONTS HAVE 5mm SPACERS
TIRES ARE YOKOHAMA ADVAN A052 235/40/18 SQUARE
MOTORWORKS STUD KIT WITH RACING LUGS
NO RUB**

Yes Xdrive. I didnt measure distance between struts and wheel, but I was able to run my Forfestars with the B16s and those were 265/35/18 9.5 rear and 235/40/18 8.5 front l, offsets were like +44 i think.. See photos in posts above on the thread of my red forgestars. No rub on either setup.

[Devil doc]

Originally Posted by SerenVoX

Just a couple better shots of the Titan 7s on Bilstien B16 coilovers. 5mm spacers front.

The suspension drop is SUPER clean, I love it.

[4Hockey4]

great pics, looks great...just here waiting

[4Hockey4]

still patiently waiting, how you guys liking the Titan 7's ?