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      01-15-2017, 08:55 PM   #45
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I got unexpected results on the dyno today. I had the BMS Methanol Injection kit recently installed on my 2016 428xi and the numbers showed more power output to the wheels on Map 2 than on Map 3. Running a 50/50 mix.

With the BMS kit is there a way of knowing when the meth is spraying? Could Meth spray on Map 2 also?

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Get the JB bluetooth and download the JB4 app - you can see the meth spray real time.
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Get the JB bluetooth and download the JB4 app - you can see the meth spray real time.
What are your opinions on your Meth experience. I have talked briefly with jmwilson in regards to it. I am FBO and i am very close to pulling the trigger on it.. i
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What are your opinions on your Meth experience. I have talked briefly with jmwilson in regards to it. I am FBO and i am very close to pulling the trigger on it.. i
Sorry I haven't had time lately to do a full update. I had some issues with a proper ground. My buddies fault. Then I got the system up and running with a single cm10 and it was running pretty beast. I know psi is not everything, but for comparison I was running 13 psi max on map 2, 17.5 psi max on map 7 with E30 (fuel pump was struggling), 19psi max with map 3.

Then was talking to some guys about going to a dual nozzle. I ordered a cm5 and cm 7 and made the switch with my system. I added in Home Depot push fittings for convenience, but then decided that's a bad idea.

They seem to handle the pressure fine, but I'm not sure how the seals will last over time being exposed to methanol. I also realized that the solenoid should be as close to the nozzle as possible. Also I found out I had a kink in my line.

Currently I am going to put in a new line with all brass compression fittings and the solenoid right next to the nozzle. I have been too busy to work on my car lately so that is why you haven't heard from me in a bit.
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What are your opinions on your Meth experience. I have talked briefly with jmwilson in regards to it. I am FBO and i am very close to pulling the trigger on it.. i
It really didnt do much before Pure Stage 2, but I think thats due to the JB4 off the shelf settings. If you get meth, I strongly suggest getting a tune to extract the most performance you can out of the mod.

Based on what Ive been told, if you plan to run a larger turbo, meth is the bare minimum you'll need for additional fueling. The tunes I have now (6K miles and a year running almost) do not necessitate PI or LPFP upgrades, but it's something Im looking into just for additional piece of mind.
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Sorry I haven't had time lately to do a full update. I had some issues with a proper ground. My buddies fault. Then I got the system up and running with a single cm10 and it was running pretty beast. I know psi is not everything, but for comparison I was running 13 psi max on map 2, 17.5 psi max on map 7 with E30 (fuel pump was struggling), 19psi max with map 3.
I have run E30 and was consistently getting 21psi on MAP7 with FBO/stock fuel system. I only did this a few times since from my understanding the F22 stock lpfp doesn't have a sensor and I could not read the parameters on JB4 logs. Did you add a sensor? Im assuming your stock lpfp since you said it was struggling..
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I have run E30 and was consistently getting 21psi on MAP7 with FBO/stock fuel system. I only did this a few times since from my understanding the F22 stock lpfp doesn't have a sensor and I could not read the parameters on JB4 logs. Did you add a sensor? Im assuming your stock lpfp since you said it was struggling..
Well it wasn't struggling completely... But judging by it's hpfp and trims value I was pretty close to max. I do not have a 3.5 bar sensor.

And my car only makes 12-13 psi on map 2 while some guys report 16-17. My turbo must just be lazy haha.

Also for the record fbo map2 felt a little better than stock. Map 3 however.... Let's just say I have to be careful taking logs in 3rd gear. I usually do them in 4th now.

Last time I tried it was 60 farenheight, 2100rpm 3rd gear, I punched it and I spun until I had to let off because I was starting to drift from my lane. Later I checked the log and it looks like I hit 6000 rpm. If I had to guess I spun from 3000 -6000 rpm in 3rd. Dry, clean road with 265 PSS.
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Well it wasn't struggling completely... But judging by it's hpfp and trims value I was pretty close to max. I do not have a 3.5 bar sensor.

And my car only makes 12-13 psi on map 2 while some guys report 16-17. My turbo must just be lazy haha.

Also for the record fbo map2 felt a little better than stock. Map 3 however.... Let's just say I have to be careful taking logs in 3rd gear. I usually do them in 4th now.

Last time I tried it was 60 farenheight, 2100rpm 3rd gear, I punched it and I spun until I had to let off because I was starting to drift from my lane. Later I checked the log and it looks like I hit 6000 rpm. If I had to guess I spun from 3000 -6000 rpm in 3rd. Dry, clean road with 265 PSS.
What I'm trying to say is meth made a huge difference for me. However if you are making 17 psi on map 2 it may not be as big of a step up.
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What I'm trying to say is meth made a huge difference for me. However if you are making 17 psi on map 2 it may not be as big of a step up.
Id say I usually see best results from MAP2 15-17psi, when vs MAP5.. Ive always thought going meth wouldn't be worth it boost wise on stock turbos for me.. especially if I can run e30 MAP7 at 21max consistently. but then again cooling is nice. But for me with the FBOs, all trims etc all looking good so I think it would be just easier to buy upgraded fuel pump then go turbo. Thats when ill have to decided meth or PI i suppose..
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Id say I usually see best results from MAP2 15-17psi, when vs MAP5.. Ive always thought going meth wouldn't be worth it boost wise on stock turbos for me.. especially if I can run e30 MAP7 at 21max consistently. but then again cooling is nice. But for me with the FBOs, all trims etc all looking good so I think it would be just easier to buy upgraded fuel pump then go turbo. Thats when ill have to decided meth or PI i suppose..
Yeah it doesn't sound like you need it. I'm not expert though. It may help with timing even if psi remains the same and give you more power. I'm not exactly sure how time affects power thought. I'll need to do some research.
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Id say I usually see best results from MAP2 15-17psi, when vs MAP5.. Ive always thought going meth wouldn't be worth it boost wise on stock turbos for me.. especially if I can run e30 MAP7 at 21max consistently. but then again cooling is nice. But for me with the FBOs, all trims etc all looking good so I think it would be just easier to buy upgraded fuel pump then go turbo. Thats when ill have to decided meth or PI i suppose..
Yeah it doesn't sound like you need it. I'm not expert though. It may help with timing even if psi remains the same and give you more power. I'm not exactly sure how time affects power thought. I'll need to do some research.
In theory at that 21psi you should make more power due to the reduced IAT and higher octane ( Better Timing ) offered by the methanol.
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Thnx for the info, im considering the 2gal tank and CM10 Nozzle as it seems the most used with N55. I have the VRSF Chargepipe and believe there is only one bung to utilize for a nozzle. This seems like the best route to squeeze a little more power from the car before going pure stg 2 and a clutch
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In theory at that 21psi you should make more power due to the reduced IAT and higher octane ( Better Timing ) offered by the methanol.
Yes, but Im not sure if the extra power would be worth the buy if I am already maxing the stock turbo out either way. I guess I feel it will be better to wait for meth when I can get my moneys worth on bigger turbo in which I may forego meth and run just PI and ethanol. Im still learning so def correct me if my thinking on this is wrong
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In theory at that 21psi you should make more power due to the reduced IAT and higher octane ( Better Timing ) offered by the methanol.
Yes, but Im not sure if the extra power would be worth the buy if I am already maxing the stock turbo out either way. I guess I feel it will be better to wait for meth when I can get my moneys worth on bigger turbo in which I may forego meth and run just PI and ethanol. Im still learning so def correct me if my thinking on this is wrong
I think your right on. I just threw in the point that there would likely be a benefit with meth even if your fuel system allowed you to max your stock turbo. Meth would just offer some more headroom at your point , power may not be drastic but offer cooling properties like iat's and arguably a safer mixture at 21psi. PI with upgraded LPFP would be more beneficial with Stg 2 turbo if your power demands are higher.
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I think your right on. I just threw in the point that there would likely be a benefit with meth even if your fuel system allowed you to max your stock turbo. Meth would just offer some more headroom at your point , power may not be drastic but offer cooling properties like iat's and arguably a safer mixture at 21psi. PI with upgraded LPFP would be more beneficial with Stg 2 turbo if your power demands are higher.
I agree with this. Also it's a fairly inexpensive kit and it would allow you to go PS2 without fueling upgrades if you wanted to go that route.
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Thnx for the info, im considering the 2gal tank and CM10 Nozzle as it seems the most used with N55. I have the VRSF Chargepipe and believe there is only one bung to utilize for a nozzle. This seems like the best route to squeeze a little more power from the car before going pure stg 2 and a clutch
Did you see my setup with the 1 gallon tank? It came out pretty stealth and I don't go though the tank that quickly.
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Thnx for the info, im considering the 2gal tank and CM10 Nozzle as it seems the most used with N55. I have the VRSF Chargepipe and believe there is only one bung to utilize for a nozzle. This seems like the best route to squeeze a little more power from the car before going pure stg 2 and a clutch
My setup is 2 CM5 nozzles because from what I was told, the single CM10 nozzle can bog easier when not WOT.
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I think your right on. I just threw in the point that there would likely be a benefit with meth even if your fuel system allowed you to max your stock turbo. Meth would just offer some more headroom at your point , power may not be drastic but offer cooling properties like iat's and arguably a safer mixture at 21psi. PI with upgraded LPFP would be more beneficial with Stg 2 turbo if your power demands are higher.
21psi is A LOT on stock turbo, IMHO. Just saying.
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21psi is A LOT on stock turbo, IMHO. Just saying.
It certainly is, but hell its gonna get swapped eventually lol. So for your meth setup, both nozzles are on the CP? Is anyone doing PI meth? Can you run PI and CP/TB meth all at once? sorry for the dumb questions
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Did you see my setup with the 1 gallon tank? It came out pretty stealth and I don't go though the tank that quickly.
Yes, it came out very nicely...!
Great idea with the led behind the tank tied into the trunk lid. I thought about going with the 2 gallon option because it offers a nice place to mount the pump with minimal interior mounting.
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My setup is 2 CM5 nozzles because from what I was told, the single CM10 nozzle can bog easier when not WOT.
Oh really... i am pretty sure my VRSF CP only has one bung... im gonna have to verify tomorrow. How often have you read of this...? Could this be due to the mixture or type of methanol used..?
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