[RobTaylor]

Check it out:
https://www.bmwcca.org/news/m235i-ra...looking-buyers

M235i specs / info: http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=924217

[gaijin]

Figure it was just a matter of time since the M235i platform begs for a good foundation. This is awesome! Kudos to BMW for finally stepping in and offering a factory club racer.

[dharo1]

So M235 racing > M2???

[mike@tpc]

the M235 race car won't be street legal. It will be a true race car.

[MEBII]

Anyone know the price range?

[uberspeed]

Originally Posted by MEBII

Anyone know the price range?

MSRP ~$82k http://www.superstreetonline.com/car...g-first-drive/

[boomboom22]

This is amazing news! Did not think they would bring it over stateside!

[zipphreak]

Weight is 3140lb estimated, nice!

[mike@tpc]

I'd be surprised at the 82k price. I looked into a focus racecar that ford offered a couple years ago and it was 125k. The Nismo 370zRC is 150.

However, 82 would be a bargain for a dedicated track car. I know I have way more than that into my 370z getting it setup.

[dharo1]

Mmmm. wouldn't a stripped M2 with 10k of additional mods make more sense?
I'm guessing the M2 will have more than 333hp. Also, eliminating many other parts could bring the weight closer to M235 Racing.

[Kiwi]

8 Speed auto is the new racing shifter now and I must say is would be fun.

[scottn2retro]

When the word about this car came out, everybody was telling me "Scott, you need one of those". My answer was always "I already have something better". After inquiring about the car with BMW in Munich and finally seeing the car on track at Oktoberfest, my answer is still that I already have something better.

Will Turner brought one to O'fest at New Jersey and working with BMW and Club Racing was able to get the classed as H-Prepared (even though the car clearly has Mod class modifications and was on slicks). That accomplished two things: it allowed a car that did not fit well into any BMW Club Racing class to run in a class by itself and not affect the standings/points for any other racer. It also allowed the car to run in the 'slow' group where the fastest cars were I-Sport e36 M3's and a Spec e46 car on R-comp tires (and Will Turner is not exactly a slouch behind the wheel). So my first impression is that it's a really slow car for somebody to spend $80K plus tax and destination charges.


But getting a field win in the O'fest slow group with an N54/N55 engine is something we've already done with a 2008 135i that was still street registered/insured. Twice - in 2008 in the rain at Watkins Glen and in 2011 at Barber. In a car that I drove across the country.


It is a good looking race car and on the plus side, what would somebody be getting for their approx. $90K? Well, they would be getting a beautifully built turn-key race with high quality components on it. So no hassle of trying to built a fast, cost effective car from scratch starting with a used street car. They would also be getting a heavy car (over 3100 lbs. without driver) with no real aero on it. They would also be getting a car that does not fit well into existing race classes in the US. For BMW Club Racing, it has Modified class improvements on it, but the buyer would have to spend a lot of money on top of the $80K plus in order to make the car Mod class fast. The same problem for running in NASA GTS classes. It has too much power and weight to be good where cars are classed by weight/power ratios. Pro racing would be a possibility (Like Pirelli World Challenge) where the final cost of a pro race car may make that price for a factory prepared turn key car a good starting point (and maybe that is what Will Turner is looking at now that TMS is racing in PWC).

But for the amateur racer in the US, the car as built would need to race in a special class just for that car like they have in the VLN series in Germany. From what I hear, BMW plans to bring 100 in the US. Is that enough, once the cars are spread around the country, to have any decent number of them in any one race at a time? And I doubt all 100 are going to show up at the dock at the same time. In between selling cars to VLN teams, cars will have to become available for the US market. There are probably already over 100 Spec e46 cars built or being built right now. BMW could be planning something along the lines of what VW did some years ago with the Spec Jetta series that VW themselves operated (which were not really good race cars that were also very slow).

I have no doubt that there are enough BMW faithful out there to buy 100 of those cars, even if they intend to do nothing more than put them in a warehouse and look at them. But for an amateur racer in the US that doesn't need to be able to brag about having a BMW factory built race car, there is definitely better racing to be had for the money.