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      11-22-2019, 07:31 AM   #45
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regardless of that a FWD based AWD feels a lot different (not in a good way) compared to a RWD based system.
Have you driven it yet to validate your assumption? Have you driven the X2 M35i to at least get a sense of what you are professing? Coming from an F80, I have no less enjoyment on a daily basis driving with this platform set up and drivetrain and I'm certain that the 2GC will be fun as anything to drive.

In general it just amazes me the snobbish behavior of some in this thread. BMW was built on SMALL sports sedans and coupes. This is the only car they offer anywhere close to the E30 size which, by the way for all you youngins who don't know the history, was NOT a luxurious car by any means. But it was fun as hell, and many of us want a small car since the 3er is now the size of a 5er. Look down your nose all you want, but I've owned the some of the highest end BMW vehicles in the past, and I have nothing but faith that this thing will perform well and be great regardless of some opinions that its too low end.
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Good car, ok maybe. Good BMW, no.

I get why they are doing it, but you aren't going to convince me this is better than RWD based cars.
Times have changed. Market forces drive the change whether you like it or not.
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After driving a G20 330i loaner, it felt *huge* and unbalanced compared to my F30 340i. This could be a nice little sweet spot after I ditch my 340i. However, I haven't test driven the M340i yet.
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Have you driven it yet to validate your assumption? Have you driven the X2 M35i to at least get a sense of what you are professing? Coming from an F80, I have no less enjoyment on a daily basis driving with this platform set up and drivetrain and I'm certain that the 2GC will be fun as anything to drive.

In general it just amazes me the snobbish behavior of some in this thread. BMW was built on SMALL sports sedans and coupes. This is the only car they offer anywhere close to the E30 size which, by the way for all you youngins who don't know the history, was NOT a luxurious car by any means. But it was fun as hell, and many of us want a small car since the 3er is now the size of a 5er. Look down your nose all you want, but I've owned the some of the highest end BMW vehicles in the past, and I have nothing but faith that this thing will perform well and be great regardless of some opinions that its too low end.
I used to own an S3 and I can absolutely confirm the fwd haldex based awd w a 4 banger is not remotely the enjoyment nor driving experience a rwd + 6 combo could offer. I hope BMW did absolute magic here...
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Still not a proper BMW with a FWD based AWD sorry not sorry but this is junk regardless. If someone wanted that platform they could buy an Audi
This means very little from someone driving a hulking AWD SUV tank.
I drive one out if necessity not desire. When I move to a place where one isn't needed I'll be in an M3/5/8 depending on what I feel like.
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Lots of junk drives really well and gives good initial quality, or people wouldn't buy it. Are people going to say nice things for a review? Of course
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I used to own an S3 and I can absolutely confirm the fwd haldex based awd w a 4 banger is not remotely the enjoyment nor driving experience a rwd + 6 combo could offer. I hope BMW did absolute magic here...
And the S3 runs Haldex v6 which runs a constant 10ish percent to the rear and can push about 60 percent to the rear under slip. The Haldex version that BMW uses is an earlier version that is 100% fwd until slip is detected and can send a max of 50% to the rear. It's also slower to react.

We had an E84 X1 35i and we've test driven the X1 and X2 and they're just not my thing. My GTI is a wildly better execution of fwd, and even good enough to not tempt me with the Golf R. It's not like it's an oversteering monster or anything and I've driven enough STI's and WRX's on track to know that a 50/50 setup is still an understeering mess.
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Just curious, but why, if any of you would, buy a 2GC over say, a Golf GTI/R??? I don't see many reasons to if I'm being honest, other than wanting the badge on the hood.
How about this: "They’re very similar. Except the BMW boasts more torque, a smoother gearbox and is, as near as I can tell, quite a bit louder from the factory."
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And the S3 runs Haldex v6 which runs a constant 10ish percent to the rear and can push about 60 percent to the rear under slip. The Haldex version that BMW uses is an earlier version that is 100% fwd until slip is detected and can send a max of 50% to the rear. It's also slower to react.

We had an E84 X1 35i and we've test driven the X1 and X2 and they're just not my thing. My GTI is a wildly better execution of fwd, and even good enough to not tempt me with the Golf R. It's not like it's an oversteering monster or anything and I've driven enough STI's and WRX's on track to know that a 50/50 setup is still an understeering mess.
the gti is imho the best fwd car on earth... especially for the price... if i didnt have an m2 comp and wanted to pay half that would be my choice
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the gti is imho the best fwd car on earth... especially for the price... if i didnt have an m2 comp and wanted to pay half that would be my choice
Civic type R...... j/k

BMW has been very good at RWD cars. That's where their strength is.

VW has long history of building good FWD cars. that their strength.

GTI/Golf R is getting better every generation (probably at cheaper price).
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How about this: "They’re very similar. Except the BMW boasts more torque, a smoother gearbox and is, as near as I can tell, quite a bit louder from the factory."
I just remembered how good the R32 vr6 sound was.
It's a shame that VW lost that sound.
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the gti is imho the best fwd car on earth... especially for the price... if i didnt have an m2 comp and wanted to pay half that would be my choice
Funny, I'm thinking of adding the M2CS to my garage.
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I understand the overall disappointment for an era coming to an end and I agree on the premise that a RWD platform is more engaging that an FWD or AWD.

With that said I agree with others that a FWD platform can still be fun to drive and I can see why BMW has decided to produce some cars like this. Fortunately BMW is still making RWD cars, and will continue so for the near future, so we have the option to choose.

There is so much unreasonable hate around these new cars, like for the x2 m35, when the majority of haters have never driven one.
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I understand the overall disappointment for an era coming to an end and I agree on the premise that a RWD platform is more engaging that an FWD or AWD.

With that said I agree with others that a FWD platform can still be fun to drive and I can see why BMW has decided to produce some cars like this. Fortunately BMW is still making RWD cars, and will continue so for the near future, so we have the option to choose.

There is so much unreasonable hate around these new cars, like for the x2 m35, when the majority of haters have never driven one.
I think your presumption is flawed since X1's and X2's are becoming the norm for loaners.

I like small cars, and part of that means I'm the guy that asked for the MINI for a loaner. And MINIs have been good. I just think there was an opportunity for BMW to keep the fwd cars labeled as MINI and take on the fwd offerings from MB and Audi with that brand, which seems to be dying for good product.

I also realize that BMW needed a small SUV and the previous X1 (which we owned) was a compromised package. As were the 1er hatches. So once you opened the door to the X1 it was only a matter of time until you let the small hatch migrate too.
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Still not a proper BMW with a FWD based AWD sorry not sorry but this is junk regardless. If someone wanted that platform they could buy an Audi
AWD BMWs sell the most nowadays. Time has moved on.

I'm happy to hear it is a good car. Though, I expected as much. My X2 M35i is a blast, and I'm sure this will be too.
In Canada every bmw sold is xDrive that's not an ///M car (now some ///M cars too) If you just want a plain rwd 3 series you have to special order it. Pathetic really...
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I think your presumption is flawed since X1's and X2's are becoming the norm for loaners.

I like small cars, and part of that means I'm the guy that asked for the MINI for a loaner. And MINIs have been good. I just think there was an opportunity for BMW to keep the fwd cars labeled as MINI and take on the fwd offerings from MB and Audi with that brand, which seems to be dying for good product.

I also realize that BMW needed a small SUV and the previous X1 (which we owned) was a compromised package. As were the 1er hatches. So once you opened the door to the X1 it was only a matter of time until you let the small hatch migrate too.
I'm really talking about the x2 m35. It's a very different animal than the normal x2.

I owned a first gen x1 as well and in comparison I will never get the new x1, but I'm open to the x2 m35. In my opinion is a good compromise.

I understand that BMW opening to fwd with the X1 has lead to more model using that platform and there is now a fear that this will continue to more models. I'm ok if this remains on the entry levels.
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Do most people really care about RWD vs AWD and FWD?

Most people don't even know on which end are the power wheels, let alone what engine they have under the hood.

My preference will always be RWD and there is nothing indicating that BMW is intending to abandon a core aspect of their vehicles.

But calling this new car garbage is really far fetched imho.
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I drive one out if necessity not desire. When I move to a place where one isn't needed I'll be in an M3/5/8 depending on what I feel like.
Not sure why you're stepping so far out of your league to bash the 2 when your list of prospective cars is over twice the value of this. There will be a 2 series rwd to appease you, so flinging your poo all over this is wasting your time unless you just like to rant.
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Without RWD bias, get an S3. Audi has better fit/finish on entry level models.
NAH, I always bump my head getting into those A/S3's.
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NAH, I always bump my head getting into those A/S3's.
Then get the Golf R. It's just the box the S3 came in.
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Not sure why you're stepping so far out of your league to bash the 2 when your list of prospective cars is over twice the value of this. There will be a 2 series rwd to appease you, so flinging your poo all over this is wasting your time unless you just like to rant.
because it's something BMW chose to make in a manner that's not fitting of their brand. I could buy a 2GC but I never would on that platform. The M2 is another story. I've long considered one as a fun weekend car but I have a hard time wanting to drive a coupe or sedan where I live since that's a death wish.

I'm not alone thinking BMW shouldn't use a FWD platform for their brand. On a Mini, sure, on a BMW M Performance model that's a hard no
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