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MAD Charge pipe and Intercooler
Has anyone tried installing MAD (Mastery of Art & Design) charge pipe or intercoolers on their M235i? Looking for some input on fitment and driving experience.
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I believe its ~10%
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06-14-2021, 07:53 AM | #6 |
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OP- another Canadian tested the MAD intercooler, and it's results were pretty underwhelming in my opinion. It's not suited for anything other than stage 1.
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...458121&page=37 I would strongly recommend paying the extra for something like the VRSF or the like.
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For best performance on FBO, you'll need the 7" MAD The same goes for other brands but I'm not allowed to go into details on the forums as last time I did so, I got reported.
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I ended up getting the 5" MAD as it seemed like a good deal that was offered by XPH. I only wanted a Stage 1 tune and had no intention to upgrade my intercooler but ended up getting it because it looked like I might save a few $$ if I want to go to Stage 2 in the future. I am just a daily driver with occasional highway pulls and I won't be tracking it so hopefully it will work out fine.
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I would have recommended the BMS or better yet the VRSF Competition for Stage 1/2 applications, while keeping costs low. Either way, it's already done and I hope it works out for you.
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The fact that you are running a stage 1 AND in Canada makes the 5" option a no-brainer
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Don't take my word for it, check the thread I posted. The test car went from 80-100F in a single gear at 69F. With that intercooler, if you're at 86F today, you're going to be at the absolute limit in one pull if you're lucky. https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...&postcount=809 Quote:
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OP said he might go to stage 2, currently, he is on a stage 1. A 5" intercooler like the MAD is the best option for him right now. If he goes to stage 2, a larger intercooler will provide better results. i do not see a benefit in advising him to get a larger than 5" intercooler as it will add a lot of weight, cause a much a slower recovery, and turbo lag.
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Thanks for your input guys. I am assuming I can run these datalogs with bootmod. Once I have everything set up and wrap my head around datalogging I will try to post some graphs as well.
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Correct about bootmod3
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This is a direct result of the intercooler's ability to cool itself. Quote:
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We'll just agree to disagree. Intercoolers are all about balance, for example: if intercooler A offers 5 degrees better cooling than intercooler B but is 10 lbs heavier, in most cases intercooler B is the better option. Of course, it's not this simple, as a lot of other factors play a role. That's why you cant rank intercoolers by looking at the IAT difference only or else the largest box with the most fins will win. No engineering or R&D needed. This is also why some companies offer a number of different intercoolers (some offer up to 4 for the same car). Its because there is no 1 solution fits all and you cant just increase the size of the core with no downside as you mentioned in your post earlier. By your logic, no company should offer a 5", what's the point when you can get a 6" with no downside. Wagner tuning run millions of simulations during their R&D to figure out the best volume and core density. They use very expensive machines to do so and hire the best engineers. It sounds like they are wasting their time, all they have to do is cram as many fins as possible into the core and they got themselves the best intercooler on the market.
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