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      10-20-2013, 02:01 PM   #89
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Shucks! I hope they change their mind, next 2er platform is at least 5 years out? More? Until then low-end luxury buyers will be buying the heck out of the cheap CLA and A3 sedan.

I guess only time will tell, I'm not due for another car until 2018, was hoping to find an off-lease (36 month old) 2015 M235i GC somewhere early 2018.

I guess that pushes me towards spending more cash on my ZHP (always planned to keep it) and finding a nice CPO SAV(x3)/SAC(x4) in 2018 for a DD.



Haha, thanks! I've used this observation a few times now, f30, f32, f10, etc. I should save it somewhere on my computer to copy and paste more easily. I think I said it better before, but don't quite remember how I worded it. Sometimes I find it comical, other times I find it frustrating. With most things in life, I try to keep an open mind and welcome change as change = progress (most of the time).
And why do you believe him? I'm pretty sure there will be one, since Scott mentioned it and there is a Mercedes and Audi competitor on the market. I also can't say that for sure, but I think there's definitely a market for one and BMW (should) know that.
I am waitin' for the M2 Gran Coup, and I believe there will be a 2 series Gran Coup and a M2 and M2 GC. The M2 is a must, since there was a very successful 1M. It would be absolutely unlogical when the M235i would be the top-model of the 2 series.

FWD will come for 1 series generation after the current one (F2X), and we don't know yet what will happen to the next 2 series after the current one (F2X). Maybe it will be based on the 1 series platform like the current one and go FWD, or it will be based on the 3 series platform and go RWD.

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I like the part where the m235i screeches its tires even when driving over gravel.
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      10-20-2013, 02:47 PM   #91
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I like the part where the m235i screeches its tires even when driving over gravel.
Maybe it's a new active sound development
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I too am excited about the new 2 series. The 220i has very mild styling but so far I've enjoyed what I've seen and read about the M235i. I'm leaning towards Deep Sea Blue with Black leather (and contrast blue stitching if I can get it)

Looking forward to see how BMW position this car against the A45 AMG in Australia in terms of pricing.

The A45 is $75k plus on roads which is aggressively priced (for our market at least). I'm hoping for no more than a $10k premium with similar spec of standard features.
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I don't understand half of these comments. True driver's car? Why? Because of the new body style? BMW's electric steering still pales in comparison to hydraulic and it's competitors. No special suspension bits. Still no rear differential. While the N55 is a great reliable engine it still cant outperform a tuned N54. If you want a compact true driver's car you missed the boat, the 1M blows this away.
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No duh, what exactly makes it close to the 1M? Engine? Suspension? Steering? The 135i closer to the 1M and it still isn't even close. This is a nice replacement to the 135i and 135is but to call it a true drivers car is ridiculous.
While I love the 1M, there is very little that makes it better than a 135i on the street... in fact nearly nothing. You get the same engine and manual tranny... the better suspension bits and LSD on the street do little to nothing for you. Tires, weight distribution and driven wheels are the biggest determinant in street handling... everything else takes track time to figure out and see big differences in. The electric vs hydraulic steering, N55 motor and that 8 speed tranny with too many gears will be this new car's downfall. Now if there was an M2 with a DCT, hydraulic steering and S55...
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I don't understand half of these comments. True driver's car? Why? Because of the new body style? BMW's electric steering still pales in comparison to hydraulic and it's competitors. No special suspension bits. Still no rear differential. While the N55 is a great reliable engine it still cant outperform a tuned N54. If you want a compact true driver's car you missed the boat, the 1M blows this away.
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No duh, what exactly makes it close to the 1M? Engine? Suspension? Steering? The 135i closer to the 1M and it still isn't even close. This is a nice replacement to the 135i and 135is but to call it a true drivers car is ridiculous.
While I love the 1M, there is very little that makes it better than a 135i on the street... in fact nearly nothing. You get the same engine and manual tranny... the better suspension bits and LSD on the street do little to nothing for you. Tires, weight distribution and driven wheels are the biggest determinant in street handling... everything else takes track time to figure out and see big differences in. The electric vs hydraulic steering, N55 motor and that 8 speed tranny with too many gears will be this new car's downfall. Now if there was an M2 with a DCT, hydraulic steering and S55...
The 1M was a bastardized way to a M-Car and should really have been called a M135i rather than what they ended up calling it.

Unique and produced in low numbers but it was really a M Performance Car with a illogical name.

I myself pasted on my first place spot and have no regrets considering the way it was built was just robbing the parts bin of the M3 and nothing else.

This new car is exciting, but hardly as exciting as the M2's arrival.
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      10-21-2013, 05:12 AM   #98
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if the second gen 2 series does go UKL the promo video for that will be dirt and dust coming from the front tires...
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The 1M was a bastardized way to a M-Car and should really have been called a M135i rather than what they ended up calling it.

Unique and produced in low numbers but it was really a M Performance Car with a illogical name.

I myself pasted on my first place spot and have no regrets considering the way it was built was just robbing the parts bin of the M3 and nothing else.

This new car is exciting, but hardly as exciting as the M2's arrival.
Don't see how that makes the 1M any different than what the M2 might be? It's not like the M2 is going to get a completely bespoke engine like an S65 or S85. The suspension bits will most likely be the same as M3/4. The only thing that will be different this time is that it'll most likely get DCT and maybe CF roof. What do you expect the M2 to have that no one will have predicted?
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Don't see how that makes the 1M any different than what the M2 might be? It's not like the M2 is going to get a completely bespoke engine like an S65 or S85. The suspension bits will most likely be the same as M3/4. The only thing that will be different this time is that it'll most likely get DCT and maybe CF roof. What do you expect the M2 to have that no one will have predicted?
first of all, the 1M was an E82, which meant that the bulk of parts were shared with the E90/E92 3-series generation---which meant that they could USE M3 parts bolted onto there. The 1M was a 'frankenstein' type project. You can be assured that the M2 will NOT be a frankenstein project, if it does happen---unless they bolt on 'old' E92 M3 parts again. Most likely, if there is an M2 it will be fully developed this time, instead of the lab-project like development done last time. That could be a good thing....or a bad thing.

IF there is an M2, they cannot use the current generation M3/M4 parts, as they don't share commonality like the prior E82 and E92 did. In fact, the F22 shares MORE parts with the E82/E92 if anything as the chassis design for the F22 is still based on the E82. It's not a totally new chassis....it's a refresh/redux/modification of the E82 chassis design.
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New photo of M235i

Guys found this photo seems pretty legit 😍👌
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      10-21-2013, 09:26 AM   #102
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hmmm. looks about right, but could be a photo shop. where did you find it?
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first of all, the 1M was an E82, which meant that the bulk of parts were shared with the E90/E92 3-series generation---which meant that they could USE M3 parts bolted onto there. The 1M was a 'frankenstein' type project. You can be assured that the M2 will NOT be a frankenstein project, if it does happen---unless they bolt on 'old' E92 M3 parts again. Most likely, if there is an M2 it will be fully developed this time, instead of the lab-project like development done last time. That could be a good thing....or a bad thing.

IF there is an M2, they cannot use the current generation M3/M4 parts, as they don't share commonality like the prior E82 and E92 did. In fact, the F22 shares MORE parts with the E82/E92 if anything as the chassis design for the F22 is still based on the E82. It's not a totally new chassis....it's a refresh/redux/modification of the E82 chassis design.
I never said anything about using E9x part. I was talking about F80/2/3 parts. While yes I agree that they'll actually have time to "fully" develop the M2 (even though I feel like they did a great job with the 1M), I'm not convinced it'll have 100% bespoke suspension and brake system, rather than shared parts from the next M3/4. IMHO, the only thing they didn't have time to do on the 1M was a bespoke engine (doubt you'll see one in an M2, but I'd love to be proven wrong with some kind of a 4 pot), DCT and CF roof (which I'm sure we'll see on an M2).

Don't get me wrong, I think the M2 is going to be an amazing car. I think it's going to look just as amazing as the M4 concept, but I'm just wondering at what price. The one thing that really attracts me to the 2er is that the entry price is somewhat reasonable, assuming you don't go nuts with the options. How big of a premium will the M2 be? We shall see
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I never said anything about using E9x part. I was talking about F80/2/3 parts.
the F22 doesn't share a chassis design with the F30/F80 the way the E82 shared the chassis with the E90/E92. That's the difference here. It is unlikely you will ever see F8X M3/M4 parts on the M2. The E82 was unique in that it was essentially identical to the E9X in chassis design. If anything, the F22 is much closer in design to the E8X than any of the 3/4-series designs.
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hmmm. looks about right, but could be a photo shop. where did you find it?
Found it on Instagram @bmw_m
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It's a render. I've already seen it here two weeks ago.
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It's a render. I've already seen it here two weeks ago.
Yep. It's just a render and been posted for months.
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It's a render. I've already seen it here two weeks ago.
Yep. It's just a render and been posted for months.
Oh ok might have missed it sorry guys
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Oh ok might have missed it sorry guys
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Guys found this photo seems pretty legit 😍👌
I don't think this is a rendering. If you compare to the spy shots at the dock its pretty damn exact.
I found the same teaser video but its paused at a good spot to see a little of the lines and if you look you can see very similar lines to the supposed rendering.
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Guys found this photo seems pretty legit 😍👌
I don't think this is a rendering. If you compare to the spy shots at the dock its pretty damn exact.
I found the same teaser video but its paused at a good spot to see a little of the lines and if you look you can see very similar lines to the supposed rendering.
That's what I thought from all the recent spy photos this one seemed to be pretty spot on
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