[Nelson@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by crbalch

Nelson@BimmerTech Is there a way you can tune your amp to play nice with the ASD as Viffermike pointed out? If so, this would solve your PnP issue.

Unfortunately you can't. Its not really about 'my amp' if you decide to updrade your factory amp you will have to code it off, no other way around it. I can't lower it down but it affects the tune.


I'm a little perplex of how most of the 3 series customers don't have an issue coding it off. If you read at the F30 threads most of them don't care for ASD. Even our customer with the 228i which i used to create the tuning file didn't want to lose it.

[crbalch]

Originally Posted by Nelson@BimmerTech

Unfortunately you can't. Its not really about 'my amp' if you decide to updrade your factory amp you will have to code it off, no other way around it. I can't lower it down but it affects the tune.


I'm a little perplex of how most of the 3 series customers don't have an issue coding it off. If you read at the F30 threads most of them don't care for ASD. Even our customer with the 228i which i used to create the tuning file didn't want to lose it.

ASD is good for people that don't want an aftermarket exhaust (not everyone does), but would like their car to sound good inside.

[Nelson@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by crbalch

I'm already setup to code for the new car and have previously done it on my 135i. For me, its not a matter of difficulty, its more that I am in the minority that like ASD, and don't want to sacrifice it. I will spend the $150 on the Focal speaker upgrade, then call it a day most likely. Hard for me to justify the $800 amp only upgrade while also losing ASD.

If I find the system to be so terrible after the speaker upgrade, I may look to an amp.

This is my honest opinion as a car audio enthusiast and not a vendor. Don't waste your money on upgrading the speakers if you have no plan on upgrading the amp. Might as well keep the system as it is.

I also want to clarify that this not just an AMP. It has a 8 channel digital signal processor with 31 band eq per channel, time alignment, active crossovers, phase adjustments and much more.... Most standalone processors that have this kind of tuning capabilities start at $700.
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_975HELI...&awmt=p&awnw=g

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-uM0dpRC...-PXA-H800.html

[opfreak]

Originally Posted by opfreak

Why does an amp swap make ASD louder?

Originally Posted by crbalch

Technically I am unsure, but I have to assume that it has something to do with the HiFi/HK amp being tuned to handle the ASD frequencies differently. When passing the ASD through a 3rd party amp, it cannot discern what is ASD and what is music or sounds. In turn, the ASD system comes through as being much louder.

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That's just werid. In my simple understanding of most amps. The signal from ASD would just be amplified, so a new amp shouldn't change that.

I geuss in someway it makes sense that BMW built in a special feedback loop, otherwise as you turn the sound up your 'engine' gets louder and its probably tuned to have a steady output.

Anyway to put a new amp inline? IE take the high level inputs into a new amp?

[jtskariah]

From what I have read, the amp is giving more power to the speakers causing the ASD to be louder. But thats the purpose of the amp, to improve the sound system by adding more power to your speakers. Regarding whether this amp is PnP, I don't understand how any other amp in the market can compete with this one in regards to the simplicity of install. This amp was build to plug directly into the car and uses the original harness. When looking for a aftermarket amp this is the reality, more power means louder ASD. I am pretty sure every single amp you install (other than the factory amp) will deal with this.

[opfreak]

Originally Posted by jtskariah

From what I have read, the amp is giving more power to the speakers causing the ASD to be louder. But thats the purpose of the amp, to improve the sound system by adding more power to your speakers. Regarding whether this amp is PnP, I don't understand how any other amp in the market can compete with this one in regards to the simplicity of install. This amp was build to plug directly into the car and uses the original harness. When looking for a aftermarket amp this is the reality, more power means louder ASD. I am pretty sure every single amp you install (other than the factory amp) will deal with this.

Except if it the original amp was acting like a simple amp, replacing it would making everything equally louder canceling out the louder ASD.

[Viffermike]

Originally Posted by Nelson@BimmerTech

This is my honest opinion as a car audio enthusiast and not a vendor. Don't waste your money on upgrading the speakers if you have no plan on upgrading the amp. Might as well keep the system as it is.

That is baloney and you know it. In almost every instance no matter what the application, upgrading the speakers appropriately makes the single biggest positive difference in sound quality. In our case, better speakers also magnify the stock HU and amp's weaknesses and biases regarding DSP, D/A conversion, etc. But it still makes the system sound much better than OEM, to the point where it is reasonably bearable depending on programming.

You know how crappy the OEM Hi-Fi speakers are, Nelson. If what you state was indeed the case, companies like BAVsound and Jehnert wouldn't stay in business.

Originally Posted by Nelson@BimmerTech

I also want to clarify that this not just an AMP. It has a 8 channel digital signal processor with 31 band eq per channel, time alignment, active crossovers, phase adjustments and much more.... Most standalone processors that have this kind of tuning capabilities start at $700.

No argument there, either. And BimmerTech's pricing of this unit, even without the group-buy discount, is really good, particularly when compared to the stock version of the Match amp. I'm not contending that the product is a bad one; not in the least. I'm contending that to operate it properly requires a vehicle modification that not everyone is willing to adopt, much less be aware of. It's important for a potential consumer to know that from the manufacturer.

I've stated my issues with the positioning of this product. I'm not going to rehash them beyond the above.

[Knightelf]

How are we tracking on the group buy?

[dailowill]

Originally Posted by Knightelf

How are we tracking on the group buy?

Seems like we need one more person to join and two payments to make it official!

[Knightelf]

Originally Posted by dailowill

Seems like we need one more person to join and two payments to make it official!

Alright, I've mentioned this in the Australia sub-forum for E82 and F22. We should get there soon!

[opfreak]

I'd do it, but cant right now :-(

[Knightelf]

Looks like the deal is LIVE

[ggabriele3]

Are there any measurements available to quantify why this trumps the JL Audio XD600/6?

[opfreak]

end date?

[Nelson@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by opfreak

end date?

When we reach 20 buyers.

[Knightelf]

Originally Posted by Nelson@BimmerTech

When we reach 20 buyers.

When do you expect to start shipping?

[dailowill]

Originally Posted by Knightelf

When do you expect to start shipping?

I spoke to Nelson today and he expects to start shipping out orders Monday the latest (except for 1/2 series which are waiting for brackets)

[Knightelf]

Originally Posted by dailowill

I spoke to Nelson today and he expects to start shipping out orders Monday the latest (except for 1/2 series which are waiting for brackets)

Oh right.. well that's me and you on the 1 & 2 series... d'oh!

[stratatak7]

I may be interested. Can you PM me with price, please?

[dailowill]

Originally Posted by stratatak7

I may be interested. Can you PM me with price, please?

You got a PM!

[opfreak]

i'm getting close, just because the audio needs help.

Does the tune use the center speaker? or is it disabled?

[Nelson@BimmerTech]

Originally Posted by opfreak

i'm getting close, just because the audio needs help.

Does the tune use the center speaker? or is it disabled?

It uses it.