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      03-10-2014, 06:02 PM   #89
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Just stopped by the dealer for my service and I saw one of these. This was by far the most hideous BMW I've ever seen.
Did you do one of these ? Or one of these ?
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Unfortunately after seeing the car in person I have to say I think BMW had some visual design flaws. The body of the M235i is very lacking in contour. There is absolutely zero flare to the wheel arches. Which really surprised me since I've always considered that a BMW kind of tm. The body lines are very straight and dull. I was extremely surprised at how ugly/boring it was in person...
I am also very disappointed at the lack of fender flares on the 2-series.

The back looks disproportionately large and it makes the rear wheels look smaller than the front. The back simply doesn't not look as aggressive as the E88.

More and more I see the 2-series the more happy I become with my 135. Not really warming up to the 2 series... I mean why the hell did they make it bigger? Many of us bought a 1-series BECAUSE it was significantly smaller than the E9x chassis.

Now, the 2er is about 2 inches shorter than the 4er. What's the point of the 2-series again?
Man I really couldn't agree more with everything you said!
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I am also very disappointed at the lack of fender flares on the 2-series.

The back looks disproportionately large and it makes the rear wheels look smaller than the front. The back simply doesn't look as aggressive as the E88.

More and more I see the 2-series the more happy I become with my 135. Not really warming up to the 2 series... I mean why the hell did they make it bigger? Many of us bought a 1-series BECAUSE it was significantly smaller than the E9x chassis.

Now, the 2er is about 2 inches shorter than the 4er. What's the point of the 2-series again?
Maybe you should get your facts right when you are comparing the size of the 2 series to the 4 series.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=903957
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      03-10-2014, 08:52 PM   #92
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Maybe you should get your facts right when you are comparing the size of the 2 series to the 4 series.

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=903957
Ok fine, I was exaggerating a little...

235i
Length: 174.5 in / 4,432 mm (2.8 in / 72 mm longer than 1 Series Coupe (E82))
Width: 69.8 in / 1,774 mm (1.3 in / 32 mm wider than E82)
Height: 55.8 in / 1,418 mm (0.2 in / 5 mm lower than E82)


435i
Length: 182.6 in / 4,638 mm (1 inch longer than E92 Coupe)
Width: 71.9 in / 1,825 mm (1.7 inches wider than E92 Coupe)
Height: 53.6 in / 1,362 mm (0.6 inches lower than E92 Coupe)

But visually, the 235i looks a lot longer than the 135i, even if it isn't. I suspect it's because of the lack of flared fenders that the rear proportions look wrong. So I still stand by what I said, the lack of fender flares makes the 2er look a lot more subdued and (IMHO) not as exciting as the looks of the 1er.
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Ok fine, I was exaggerating a little...

235i
Length: 174.5 in / 4,432 mm (2.8 in / 72 mm longer than 1 Series Coupe (E82))
Width: 69.8 in / 1,774 mm (1.3 in / 32 mm wider than E82)
Height: 55.8 in / 1,418 mm (0.2 in / 5 mm lower than E82)


435i
Length: 182.6 in / 4,638 mm (1 inch longer than E92 Coupe)
Width: 71.9 in / 1,825 mm (1.7 inches wider than E92 Coupe)
Height: 53.6 in / 1,362 mm (0.6 inches lower than E92 Coupe)

But visually, the 235i looks a lot longer than the 135i, even if it isn't. I suspect it's because of the lack of flared fenders that the rear proportions look wrong. So I still stand by what I said, the lack of fender flares makes the 2er look a lot more subdued and (IMHO) not as exciting as the looks of the 1er.
Just wait for the M2,the flared fenders will be awesome.
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Anybody that thinks the 1 series is better looking than the 2 series is someone who can't afford the 2 series. The 1 has to be about the ugliest car BMW made in recent memories, I'd compare it to the 5GT in bad proportions. The front would stop a freight train in its tracks. I was embarrassed every time I saw one and I've owned a lot of BMW's. At least the 1M was a little better but really looks we're not a 1 series attribute.
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From the front, yeah I would agree with you.

But the back half, and especially the rear fender flares and the elongated bumper. And the sides look really flat and vacant with how little flare they've given it. The rear wheels look lost in the middle of a flat expanse.

And "can't afford" LOL son, really... Looks are subjective, but if you're going to make personal attacks about the state of my finances just because (in some aspects) I like the looks of my 135 a little better than your precious 2-series, well that's just dumb.

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Just stopped by the dealer for my service and I saw one of these. This was by far the most hideous BMW I've ever seen.
I'm going to take a wild guess that you don't have a design background and you like the idea of gold plated faucets.
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I'm going to take a wild guess that you don't have a design background and you like the idea of gold plated faucets.
Yep,he loved the Bangle Butt.
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Just stopped by the dealer for my service and I saw one of these. This was by far the most hideous BMW I've ever seen.
Did you do one of these ? Or one of these ?
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Just stopped by the dealer for my service and I saw one of these. This was by far the most hideous BMW I've ever seen.
I'm going to take a wild guess that you don't have a design background and you like the idea of gold plated faucets.
Looks like a gold plated corolla
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Anybody that thinks the 1 series is better looking than the 2 series is someone who can't afford the 2 series.
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Saying the 1 looks better than the 2 or the 2 looks better than the 1 is a losing argument. Not to compare attributes but it's almost like saying someone with a c6 vette doesn't like the new stingray or vice versa. Some of it may be actual taste but I think when something new comes along which is SUPPOSED to be evolution in style is often liked because people tend to vote with their wallets. In addition, whatever is new will get a bump in popularity over the old because that's how society often works, you aren't cool because you got the new toy just like you aren't cooler for saying I'm sticking with the older.

If you bought a 2 series much like myself did, I don't think it has anything to do with finances. I think it means you literally voted with your wallet because you could have bought a 1 series. Or someone with a 1 could have traded towards a 2. The fact that people actually try to assign opinion to looks of a car is rather amusing. Buy and drive what you like and have fun, be thankful you're arguing over performance cars and not stuck with a 14' corolla.
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Not the case if you don't get the tech package - I have driven such a car, and you can rest assured that there's nothing there.
Are you talking M235i or 2 series?
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I happened to test drive a 235i this past week and was quite surprised. I didn't think I was going to like the car at all from my expiernce with the f30 but I did. For me the steering is a good amount better then the f30 but still lacking against it's older brother 135i, hopefully this will be fixed through an eps update. The car cornered far flatter then I thought it would and it still had that great low end torque (still wish it had the n54) that I remember. I think this car is very pleasing from the front but wish they stayed closer to the 135i rear design.

For someone wanting to get into the BMW brand this is a great place to start. For a performance car it will have some stiff competition from ford.
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Are you talking M235i or 2 series?
M235 - that's the only one I have sat in.
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Thank you. Appreciate the confirmation finally.

The M235i really seems like a home run by BMW but the lack of temperature gauges on a car like this is maddening, isn't it?
Yes on the gauge...it just makes no sense at all...
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Anybody that thinks the 1 series is better looking than the 2 series is someone who can't afford the 2 series. The 1 has to be about the ugliest car BMW made in recent memories, I'd compare it to the 5GT in bad proportions. The front would stop a freight train in its tracks. I was embarrassed every time I saw one and I've owned a lot of BMW's. At least the 1M was a little better but really looks we're not a 1 series attribute.
This. My 1er was a really good looking car but only because I modded it spot on (19" matte black csls, etc). Stock, no. If the 2 is modded the same (it will be ) it will crush it.

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Ok fine, I was exaggerating a little...

235i
Length: 174.5 in / 4,432 mm (2.8 in / 72 mm longer than 1 Series Coupe (E82))
Width: 69.8 in / 1,774 mm (1.3 in / 32 mm wider than E82)
Height: 55.8 in / 1,418 mm (0.2 in / 5 mm lower than E82)


435i
Length: 182.6 in / 4,638 mm (1 inch longer than E92 Coupe)
Width: 71.9 in / 1,825 mm (1.7 inches wider than E92 Coupe)
Height: 53.6 in / 1,362 mm (0.6 inches lower than E92 Coupe)

But visually, the 235i looks a lot longer than the 135i, even if it isn't. I suspect it's because of the lack of flared fenders that the rear proportions look wrong. So I still stand by what I said, the lack of fender flares makes the 2er look a lot more subdued and (IMHO) not as exciting as the looks of the 1er.
Solution.. don't buy it

They are just different. I have had both. If i had to choose bar none it would be the 2. Even brought back the classic bmw driver slanted dash which the e9x era blew completely.
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That would make perfect sense were they not offering it on the 228. Bizarre that 228 has more color options than 235.
I agree totally! I am not happy with the first year production color options. At the price, the 235 options should be as bountiful as the 228. Fortunately, my dealer sees No Problem Getting a color special ordered from the 228 option list! Maybe a bit more money .... So what??
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