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The power advantage to the JB4 over the JB+ and Dinantronics Sport is its ability not only to add boost, but manipulate some timing and AFR to some extent. Timing is the real kicker and advantage.
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10-15-2018, 11:47 AM | #24 | |
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If you want the best and most consistent power, the flash tunes are the only way to go.
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I am currently running a JB+ which gives a nice power increase over stock at standard setting, the car is currently under warranty but when this expires I will probably get a full dyno remap as I intend to keep the car. The JB+ is extremely good value for money with what it gives.
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10-15-2018, 12:58 PM | #28 |
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Thanks for the info on stacking tunes, etc.!
What flash tunes are available and what price ranges are we talking? I may just run JB4 to change maps on the fly and maybe have a custom tune later down the road if I choose to do so. |
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The JB4 does not stack on top of the MPPK. I promise you that.
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10-15-2018, 03:33 PM | #30 |
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Go to the N55 section of this forum. All answers are there regarding flash tunes.
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How can you compare reliability between the jb4 and Dinan stage 1? I know Dinan keeps warranty but say you are already out of warranty, is it still smarter to go with Dinan because of reliability or is the jb4 also reliable?
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By more reliable, I'm assuming you mean your car wont get an error code.. then JB4>Dinan. |
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10-15-2018, 06:28 PM | #35 | |
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What the JB4 will also do on MPPK equipped N55s is negate most of the exhaust burbles. Why? Because the JB4 takes over some of the fuel delivery programming and ignores the MPPK injector feature which dumps a tiny amount of fuel into the exhaust to create the burbles. I'm not running the JB4 because the execution of the device is rather rudimentary and running the OBD sensor through the firewall on a 6MT is a royal pain because having to cut an access rubber grommet and running the risk of slicing/rubbing the clutch slave hose. I like being able to return to stock quickly and I'm not consumed with adding a ton of power to the car.
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Don’t quote me on this but I think you’ll need to change your spark plugs more often when running a tune and driving it harder (not significantly more, but more often then stock obv) |
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10-16-2018, 10:03 AM | #38 | |
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You can typically assume that a motor's longevity won't be dramatically impacted assuming you keep the additional power to within 20% over stock power ratings. Anything beyond that and you're likely in uncharted territory in terms of what the engineers truly tested for. On an M235, that would mean around 370whp/400wtq or essentially "Stage 2" mods (flash tune/JB4 with a downpipe). With all that said, the M235 comes with some pretty robust hardware for stock. The 8AT is the same one used in BMWs own M235R race cars. The 6MT is the same one used in the 1M and the only difference between it and the 6MT used in the M2/M3/M4 is a stronger 1-2/2-3 syncro. The forged connecting rods and bearings are the same one used in the M2/M3/M4 and the forged crank is the same used in the M2. If you care about long term reliability, I wound't push this motor past a tune and downpipe. The N55 short block is quite robust, but other systems will be pushed quite a bit harder (cooling, spark, injectors, fuel pumps, various gaskets). Plus, the deeper you go with power, the closer you put the DME into the danger zone as it might not be able to respond to something like super knock which could result in a spun rod bearing (this has happened on modded N55s and N54s).
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XutvJet,
I have some noobie questions for you if you don't mind: 1. How much hp is 370whp? (same for torque) 2. What does DME stand for? Mod wise I'm probably going for an upgraded DP, CP, FMIC, and tune (nothing crazy just for some added DD fun). Would this put me into the "uncharted territory"? Thanks in advance! |
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The M235 is rated by BMW at 320hp/330tq at the flywheel, but Dynojet numbers of stock M235s show the cars making between 300-310 wheel hp (whp) and 320-330wtq (wtq) depending on transmission (6MT make the higher numbers). Assuming ~15% drivetrain loss, a stock M235 actually makes around 365hp/390tq at the flywheel or well above what BMW claims. 370whp equates to around 435hp at the flywheel. You simply take the whp number and divide by .85. DME is BMW's name for the engine computer. A catted DP and conservative tune will put you in the 360-370whp and 380-400wtq range. The CP and FMIC do not add any power. Between 1999 and 2005, I extensively modified a 1996 Maxima SE 5MT. With tuned ECU and intake and exhaust bolt-ons, I took that car from running lower 15s@92mph in the 1/4 mile to lower 14s at 100mph which is in line with what your current gen Maxima runs. A stock M235, especially an 8AT version, will make your Maxima feel quite weak and you'll realize just how terrible CVTs are no matter that wizardy they employee to make it feel sporty (I've rented many current gen Maximas). My point is, once you get a M235, drive it stock for a while and perhaps add the MP exhaust to get some some sexy exhaust noises (makes the car sound faster and tricks the mind). A stock M235 8AT is a legit upper 12 second car STOCK. To you, it will feel monumentally faster, especially above 60mph. I've driven and owned some fast cars over the decades, but my M235 6MT with just the Dinantronics Sport impresses me quite a lot, especially all the torque it makes. Although I'll add more power in the future, it is rather silly as the car is plenty fast for the street as it is. Traction in 1st is hard to come by and I can spin them from a 30-40mph punch in 2nd and sometimes in 3rd as well. In sub 45 degree temps, traction is useless in 1st and portions of 2nd at full throttle. Adding more power will only complicate the traction issues and my car is on MPSS tires and has a mechanical LSD. Without the LSD, traction was FAR worse.
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Thanks for the knowledge XutvJet!
The fastest thing I've driven is my friends B8.5 S4, much quicker then my current Maxima. I am beyond excited to ditch the CVT from Nissan and switch to the M235i 1-2yrs from now. And better yet going from FWD to RWD. I'll keep in mind the conservative numbers 360-370whp and 380-400wtq range. I'm sure if I'm craving more then the already quick stock performance, the conservatives numbers will be plentiful for DD. Can't explain how excited and ready I am for the switch to the M235i |
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