[Poochie]

Originally Posted by failtree228

At 7:42 in the video you quoted reviewer tells that it is already confirmed that 2 series will utilize a different, RWD platform. Thus, your conclusion does not seem to be valid

Yea, well, let's wait and see if BMW actually builds two separate architecture layout for the 2 series, US market, FWD and RWD.

Regardless for what that dude says now, nothing hasn't been official confirm yet and historically, the 2 series is usually the splitting makeup for the 1 series. One a hatch and the other a coupe.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Yea, well, let's wait and see if BMW actually builds two separate architecture layout for the 2 series, US market, FWD and RWD.

I suggest looking at this from the other perspective.

BMW will build a family of small FWD vehicles (sedan, hatch, SAV, GC) and also will continue to use a RWD platform for various other models.

How Marketing happens to name them is simply how they feel they can best gain awareness, consideration, and purchase intention. The company does not build "two architectures of a 2 Series". They build the range of vehicles in the plan, and some technically diverse products may wind up sharing a common model number identifyer. For everyone upstream of Marketing, the number in the name applied to the vehicle is among the least of their concerns.

The coupe, but no longer the convertible, will continue in the next product cycle as a RWD vehicle. The assembly plant and launch date are already assigned.

[USA-RET]

Before I'd despair, Wait and see what the motor will do. Porsche dropped the 6 in the 718 and what they got was a lighter and faster car overall.

The only negative I ever read about this change are those concerned with the noise the motor generates.

Strangely, these complainers appear to be more interested in noise their cars produce for other people to hear, (as they vehemently object to any synthesized sounds produced for their ears regardless of how good those sounds may be).

If the new 2er (M240i) produces similar or better performance numbers w/ a 4 cyl than the current model, I'm on board.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

I suggest looking at this from the other perspective.

BMW will build a family of small FWD vehicles (sedan, hatch, SAV, GC) and also will continue to use a RWD platform for various other models.

How Marketing happens to name them is simply how they feel they can best gain awareness, consideration, and purchase intention. The company does not build "two architectures of a 2 Series". They build the range of vehicles in the plan, and some technically diverse products may wind up sharing a common model number identifyer. For everyone upstream of Marketing, the number in the name applied to the vehicle is among the least of their concerns.

The coupe, but no longer the convertible, will continue in the next product cycle as a RWD vehicle. The assembly plant and launch date are already assigned.

We'll see, it's seems like they can create a basic version of the M2 to replace the 240i demographical demand and shift the 230i crowd to the FWD, 4 cylinder layout.

It's almost redundant they offer a 240i and then the M2 concurrently, when so much of the performance between the two models overlap.

But look, you're probably right, I'm just spitballing theories.

[bimmerfile]

Whoa.. WTF?? When was this video produced???

At 7.46 minutes in the narrator, who I'm assuming is someone who should be in the know at BMW, mentions next gen "2-series Coupe and Cabriolet".
I thought it had been confirmed that the ragtops were out after the F23?

[amw896]

Originally Posted by Dylan86

NEWS OUT!

Anyone who bought an m235/40 did well, best value in the BMW performance lineup to date!

Keeping mine for 10+ more years, easily. Doesn't mean I won't add other cars, though. This one is just too good at what it does, well, to give up.

Agreed 100.....especially when I see the resale on used ones right now. Thanks, I'll keep her forever!

[celsdogg]

Originally Posted by amw896

Agreed 100.....especially when I see the resale on used ones right now. Thanks, I'll keep her forever!

same plan, mine will grow old next to me and my e30!

[keylime503]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

I suggest looking at this from the other perspective.

BMW will build a family of small FWD vehicles (sedan, hatch, SAV, GC) and also will continue to use a RWD platform for various other models.

How Marketing happens to name them is simply how they feel they can best gain awareness, consideration, and purchase intention. The company does not build "two architectures of a 2 Series". They build the range of vehicles in the plan, and some technically diverse products may wind up sharing a common model number identifyer. For everyone upstream of Marketing, the number in the name applied to the vehicle is among the least of their concerns.

The coupe, but no longer the convertible, will continue in the next product cycle as a RWD vehicle. The assembly plant and launch date are already assigned.

+1. I promise you no one in R&D is thinking "let's build a FWD and RWD 2 series!" They are thinking "we have one project called <codename1> that is a small FWD platform and we have this other totally unrelated project called <codename2> that is a small RWD platform".

[USA-RET]

The M135 has piqued my interest as a future car. Hoping to see it offered in the USA.

Currently have the M240i and a 2019 Mini Cooper S (w/JCW tune) on order (traded in the 2015 MCS JCW tuned car).

M135 could replace both since it's just wife and I and we rarely ever go separate ways.

If not and BMW offers a M-lite 1 series coupe, I'd likely trade for that when time comes for the M240i to go.

The 1 series is a little smaller than the 2 series and that is a better fit for me given a choice between a M-lite 1 or 2.

[lacroixboy]

Any ideas how this will affect the price of M240i? I'm currently in the market for one, but wondering if it will plummet in value once the gran coupe is released...

[MassNerd]

Originally Posted by lacroixboy

Any ideas how this will affect the price of M240i? I'm currently in the market for one, but wondering if it will plummet in value once the gran coupe is released...

Have you seen the new 1-series grille?
This might be one of the rare occasions where the value of the MY2020 cars go up as people scoop up the good looking car before that hideous thing arrives.

[USA-RET]

I would not discount a 4cly M-lite. Lighter weight and likely better than 300 HP and 340TQ. Car would be quite peppy. betting 0-60 time will be very close or the same as the M240i. Amazing what they can do with small motors and tuning.

[ralawren]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

I would not discount a 4cly M-lite. Lighter weight and likely better than 300 HP and 340TQ. Car would be quite peppy. betting 0-60 time will be very close or the same as the M240i. Amazing what they can do with small motors and tuning.

Now that I installed the Dinan Sport Tuner on my 228i I am optimistic BMW can produce an entertaining car. The extra 40-50 ft lb of torque is very noticeable, the engine (N20) is now more urgent.

Going to VIR with it next weekend and will report back.

But a light, responsive car with the understeer fixed will be appreciated by many and still be fuel efficient.

[USA-RET]

Check this 4 Cyl out....

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/a...7361B7D0F850C8

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by USA-RET

Check this 4 Cyl out....

200+ HP/liter certainly works. The power delivery sounds track-ready, too. If it were available in a legitimate 3,100-pound car, that would really be something.

[rainfall]

In May 2019, bmw sold only 253 2 series, which is REALLY low.

If you think about the company as a whole, it wouldn't make sense to maintain a car that sells only 200 units per month or so UNLESS (a) they are making money elsewhere and (b) they have parts to spare from other cars.

I honestly think they only keep the 2 series alive because of us - people who like small rwd cars, which has many components of the flagship of the old school bmw - including manual transmission option. For that reason they could could keep the 2 series 6 cylinder alive.

BMW only can offer the 2 series with 6 cylinders because they sell so many other cars with the same engine, paying off the development costs.

[bimmerfile]

Originally Posted by rainfall

In May 2019, bmw sold only 253 2 series, which is REALLY low.

If you think about the company as a whole, it wouldn't make sense to maintain a car that sells only 200 units per month or so UNLESS (a) they are making money elsewhere and (b) they have parts to spare from other cars.

I honestly think they only keep the 2 series alive because of us - people who like small rwd cars, which has many components of the flagship of the old school bmw - including manual transmission option. For that reason they could could keep the 2 series 6 cylinder alive.

BMW only can offer the 2 series with 6 cylinders because they sell so many other cars with the same engine, paying off the development costs

Couple of points.
1. The 2-series began with the 2014 MY and we are now in its 7th production model year (2014,2015,2016,2017,2018,2019,2020 MY) and getting close to its final production run, so it is not uncommon to see sales tail off towards the end of a particular generation (witness the drop in 4-series sales for the same reason).
2. Anyone who wants a 2-series can now buy a used one from any of the 6 prior model years for a pretty good discount off new 2er MSRP, so what's the incentive to buy new over used (impress the neighbours?).
3. Based on #2 above, my guess is that it is very likely that there are more 2-series being sold this year (new and used) to new 2-series owners than in any other year.

[Heitzer]

It's also not quite as bleak world wide for the 2 series. They have been selling about 200 thousand 2 series worldwide in 2016 and 2017 about half of the 3 series numbers.

More recent numbers from Germany also suggest the 2 series is still selling well even at the late stage of the model cycle.