[pikcachu]

Imagine if you could get this...

I test drove a Model 3 perf a few months ago and can't get the ridiculous acceleration out of my head.....

Wouldn't be nice to have the look and interior of the BMW with the powertrain of a Model 3 perf?

Flame away

[BEM-S4]

You're not completely insane. Folks have been putting electric drivetrains into vintage cars for quite sometime for exactly the reasons you're describing. Personally I'd be very interested in an electric 280Z.

[Clear_Blue22]

Haha oh nooo... I'm test driving a model 3 next month... my wife wants the model Y. I won't have the fastest car in the family anymore

[Sportstick]

The powertrain is about the only part of a Tesla of value or well-executed. Almost bought a Model 3 until I took a closer look. From engineering design to assembly to the developing record on quality/reliability, I was glad to get my deposit back!

[Tyresian]

I agree with Sportstick

My friend has a Model 3 I've ridden in a number of times and he's let me drive. I think the powertrain is awesome, and the instant power and overtaking is fantastic. But the car feels like an econobox on the inside, actually worse. It is empty and I don't like the interior design or the materials, it really turns me off. And sitting in the backseat is actually less comfortable than the back of my 230.

The Model S could be attractive but it is about twice the price and there is a lot more competition in that range. I haven't driven or ridden in one of those yet. But that car is almost 5000 lbs.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

The powertrain is about the only part of a Tesla of value or well-executed. Almost bought a Model 3 until I took a closer look. From engineering design to assembly to the developing record on quality/reliability, I was glad to get my deposit back!

Yes, the manufacturing process is not the best.... but this seems something that can improved I mean pretty much any other manufacturer do a decent job so it should be a matter of time for them to improve this....

On the other hand nobody gets even close to them in terms of range, and performance....

I really don't get why like BMW partners with Jaguar and same with Toyota and Subaru to share the cost of building an electric car instead of partnering with Tesla who has the best technology....

And just wait when the Roadster comes out and does 0-60 in 1.9s and 600+ mile range.... that will embarrass every supercar by a long shot

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

Yes, the manufacturing process is not the best.... but this seems something that can improved I mean pretty much any other manufacturer do a decent job so it should be a matter of time for them to improve this....

Their body architecture was described in a tear-down report as having all the sophistication of a 1990s Kia. Many in the company are working for their first OEM ever. It will take a product cycle to see any significant improvement. Keep an eye out for the eventual replacements of all the current models. They may show needed improvements. I wouldn't take anything they now (try to) build. By then, good chance the failing Tesla brand will likely have been bought by another established OEM for the brand value and a large group of experts will swarm over the engineering and manufacturing teams. For a SUV/Crossover type of electric vehicle, I would much sooner trust the upcoming Ford Mach E.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

Yes, the manufacturing process is not the best.... but this seems something that can improved I mean pretty much any other manufacturer do a decent job so it should be a matter of time for them to improve this....

Originally Posted by Clear_Blue22

Haha oh nooo... I'm test driving a model 3 next month... my wife wants the model Y. I won't have the fastest car in the family anymore

Their body architecture was described in a tear-down report as having all the sophistication of a 1990s Kia. Many in the company are working for their first OEM ever. It will take a product cycle to see any significant improvement. Keep an eye out for the eventual replacements of all the current models. They may show needed improvements. I wouldn't take anything they now (try to) build. By then, good chance the failing Tesla brand will likely have been bought by another established OEM for the brand value and a large group of experts will swarm over the engineering and manufacturing teams. For a SUV/Crossover type of electric vehicle, I would much sooner trust the upcoming Ford Mach E, Polestar 2, Volvo XC40.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

Imagine if you could get this...

I test drove a Model 3 perf a few months ago and can't get the ridiculous acceleration out of my head.....

Wouldn't be nice to have the look and interior of the BMW with the powertrain of a Model 3 perf?

Flame away

It could be done..

Check out this "Suprius" :

[MerlinMc]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

The powertrain is about the only part of a Tesla of value or well-executed. Almost bought a Model 3 until I took a closer look. From engineering design to assembly to the developing record on quality/reliability, I was glad to get my deposit back!

I have friends and work colleagues with Teslas. The power train is definitely fun.

The overall engineering and build quality even for the upper models is not where it should be.

The traditional manufacturers will soon overtake Telsa on electric and offer better vehicles in terms of engineering, execution, performance and value.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

I really don't get why like BMW partners with Jaguar and same with Toyota and Subaru to share the cost of building an electric car instead of partnering with Tesla who has the best technology....

Having worked for a number of very large, world-leading corporations, I suspect that Elon Musk's cowboy nature is a non-starter for a leading German corporation like BMW. I can imagine BMW buying Musk out, but he'd be a nightmare to have as a partner. I doubt Musk would be interested, anyway - unless the writing was on the wall.

[RoundelM3]

BMW will introduce the i4 in 2021-2022 production year - supposed to be equivalent of a 3-series with BMW's electric powertrain and battery pack. Range is predicted to be well over 300 miles, possibly close to 400. Just remember that the "performance" Tesla model 3 has two electric motors, and that would be difficult to stuff into a 2-series. There was also a 1-series coupe EV a few years ago, more of a test mule, but it paved the way for something far better than the current i3. If I were ever to acquire a fully-electric car, it would be a BMW.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by RoundelM3

BMW will introduce the i4 in 2021-2022 production year - supposed to be equivalent of a 3-series with BMW's electric powertrain and battery pack. Range is predicted to be well over 300 miles, possibly close to 400. Just remember that the "performance" Tesla model 3 has two electric motors, and that would be difficult to stuff into a 2-series. There was also a 1-series coupe EV a few years ago, more of a test mule, but it paved the way for something far better than the current i3. If I were ever to acquire a fully-electric car, it would be a BMW.

Yeah but performance wise it doesn't look too good

"i4 will reportedly manage the 0-62mph sprint in four seconds and will top out at 124mph. "

And this is going to be out in like 2 years from now

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[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by dradernh

Having worked for a number of very large, world-leading corporations, I suspect that Elon Musk's cowboy nature is a non-starter for a leading German corporation like BMW. I can imagine BMW buying Musk out, but he'd be a nightmare to have as a partner. I doubt Musk would be interested, anyway - unless the writing was on the wall.

Well Tesla is worth 37B and BMW 45B

So not very many manufacturers would be able to buy it out

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

Well Tesla is worth 37B and BMW 45B

So not very many manufacturers would be able to buy it out

Buyouts needn't be all-cash affairs - there are a number of ways they can be structured to the satisfaction of the parties involved.

But I agree - at Tesla's present market value it's a lot for a conventional manufacturer to swallow, not to mention the additional premium that would be demanded by Tesla.

I also doubt any of those manufacturers see Tesla as being worth anywhere near that much.

Elon Musk is very much on his own then, isn't he. I doubt he'd want it any other way.

[TajoMan]

electric 'powertrain' is so easy to put out a lot of power.
There is nothing special about it imo. Literally, any company can do exactly same as what Tesla can do in terms of powertrain.

Electric car is all about battery and charging speed, not the powertrain.

[USA-RET]

This should get the "juices" (no pun intended) going.

Warp speed.........................

[VasWander]

I'm no fan of Tesla politically but am envious of their 0-60. God help me if I ever am forced to buy an electric vehicle, but if I did it would be German built.

[snaketh]

In the not too distant future all gasoline cars will be banned. Just look at how emissions keep getting tighter every year.

I'm not pining for an EV version of my 2er because before we know it, all cars will be EV.

Instead what I'm doing is getting an MPE, some awesome driving roads, and a 3 minute refuel. I'll enjoy it, while I still can.

[RoundelM3]

Originally Posted by snaketh

In the not too distant future all gasoline cars will be banned. Just look at how emissions keep getting tighter every year.

I'm not pining for an EV version of my 2er because before we know it, all cars will be EV.

Instead what I'm doing is getting an MPE, some awesome driving roads, and a 3 minute refuel. I'll enjoy it, while I still can.

That's exactly why I acquired my 2015 M3 and tuned it to over 500 HP so I can enjoy that raucous exhaust while straightening the curves...

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by snaketh

In the not too distant future all gasoline cars will be banned. Just look at how emissions keep getting tighter every year.

I'm not pining for an EV version of my 2er because before we know it, all cars will be EV.

Instead what I'm doing is getting an MPE, some awesome driving roads, and a 3 minute refuel. I'll enjoy it, while I still can.

[richardddd]

E30 with a Tesla motor.

M3

Audi