[Patton250]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

this is more bullish*t hyperbolism

you really think all ICE cars are going to be banned somehow by 2035, that is NOT what any state or country has stated AT ALL... What some have said is that all NEW cars will be EV by 2035, heck even huge automakers have stated the same...used ICE cars will still be readily available for decades to come....quit trying to make more out of this than what it IS

Um…….ah……..um………

Young man that’s the same thing. Now what I want you to do is read your post 20 times in a row and get back to me.

This is shockingly easy. Be honest have you been drinking?

[KRS_SN]

A
Net zero
Decarbonisation
Air source heat pumps
EV mandates

B
Hunger,Poverty,Homelessness
Interest rates
Need to get to work in a cheap car
Need to put food on the table

The world has gone mad with its priorities... B first before splurging money on A please.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

A
Net zero
Decarbonisation
Air source heat pumps
EV mandates

B
Hunger,Poverty,Homelessness
Interest rates
Need to get to work in a cheap car
Need to put food on the table

The world has gone mad with its priorities... B first before splurging money on A please.

Nah. The people pushing this agenda want B. It creates dependency. Dependency creates reelections.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Two 20 mins sessions or about 23 laps of a typical 3.5km / 2.2 mile circuit are not a problem now in a Porsche Taycan on a single charge plus distance to and from the fast charger about 15km away from the track. Our track day club has a member with one who has taken it out a couple of times. Brakes are punished hard, but seem to hold up.

The next gen Porsche 718 is due to arrive as a 2025 EV-only model.

I'd be interested to know how steep the performance drop off is over a session, and how long that battery lasts.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

this is more bullish*t hyperbolism

you really think all ICE cars are going to be banned somehow by 2035, that is NOT what any state or country has stated AT ALL... What some have said is that all NEW cars will be EV by 2035, heck even huge automakers have stated the same...used ICE cars will still be readily available for decades to come....quit trying to make more out of this than what it IS

I really can't wait for 2030 as we approach the final stages of all this, then people will get the holy fuck there is no way this is fucking happening reality check. Might as well find my forever ICE since there's 5 years left.

And then voila! 2035!!!! No more on the move!!

It's here!!!!

I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

What some have said is that all NEW cars will be EV by 2035, heck even huge automakers have stated the same

In the early 90s CARB said 10% of new automobiles sold in California would be emissions-free by the year 2000. While that was a worthy goal, it didn't map at all well with what was possible at the time.

I think today's situation is similar: a necessary target data has been set, and now we'll see how quickly the impediments to success can be removed. Mines taking well over a decade to be approved and producing and the very long time it takes to get even renewables connected to the grid look to me to be the main issues today. There's a lot of work still to be done to get all the pieces working in concert.

The transition will take place; it's just a question of when.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by dradernh

In the early 90s CARB said 10% of new automobiles sold in California would be emissions-free by the year 2000. While that was a worthy goal, it didn't map at all well with what was possible at the time.

I think today's situation is similar: a necessary target data has been set, and now we'll see how quickly the impediments to success can be removed. Mines taking well over a decade to be approved and producing and the very long time it takes to get even renewables connected to the grid look to me to be the main issues today. There's a lot of work still to be done to get all the pieces working in concert.

The transition will take place; it's just a question of when.

Very accurate statements. And the best part is they will use every bit as much carbon credits, accomplishing and maintaining all of that as they would if we just stay at the present course. So, at the end of the day this is nothing more than a massive wealth transfer brought to you by governments of the world.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I really can't wait for 2030 as we approach the final stages of all this, then people will get the holy fuck there is no way this is fucking happening reality check. Might as well find my forever ICE since there's 5 years left.

And then voila! 2035!!!! No more on the move!!

It's here!!!!

I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is our token thread troll. I was wondering when you would show up this evening.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Here is a “crap” electric car for you:

It is unlikely events such as Pike’s Peak will have an ICE record holder again over BEV competitors.

I remember when Blackberry and many of it’s users mocked the iPhone.

If this is what makes you cheer, I’m not impressed.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by zero21

The Goodwood record, again speaks to my point of being a one-trick pony in high discharge rates for extremely limited periods of time.

We're not going to get to a point where an electric car can do 10 laps for another 20yrs.

They can barely do one lap. MotorIQ had a modded, stripped Model 3 Performance that could do 1 lap in time trials before power started to drop off.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

where????


OPEC is doing a fine job themselves, with the oil and gas prices these days, of forcing people to buy EV's

Funny how you truncated my post to leave out the answer to your question; I already stated this in that post, "It is unrefutably clear that the Government is forcing the creation of the EV market. The most recent examples are the $5B Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, and just this past week, the EPA's new proposed emissions regulations." Oh, I should have included the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022. That's where Uncle Sam reupped on the $7,500 (max) EV tax rebate.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Patton250

There is our token thread troll. I was wondering when you would show up this evening.

In a word... TAMPONS!

Lmaooooo.

[PLF69]

Our local track just banned EVs because they are not equipped to face an electric car fire. I heard it's so hard contain that most of the time firefighters will just let them burn up, it can be almost impossible to stop.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Our local track just banned EVs because they are not equipped to face an electric car fire. I heard it's so hard contain that most of the time firefighters will just let them burn up, it can be almost impossible to stop.

Yeah, fires from a lithium battery can be extremely difficult to extinguish.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

How much of that was influenced by government as opposed to what people wanted to buy? In the US, the sales rightfully lagged because the electric variants are pretty crap, like all electric cars.

Many people don’t share your opinion that electric cars are crap, I know quite a few car enthusiasts who have both and are quite happy with their EVs.

In Europe people are free to buy what they want, but the cost of running EVs is substantially lower there compared with ICEs, even when the higher purchase price is taken into account.

The UK now has 70 BEV models to choose from, with higher demand and consequent wait times than ICEs in the same segment. Manufacturers can’t sell ICE only vehicles there from 2030. Consumers overall are demanding EVs there, although supply is more of an issue, it looks as though the tipping point has been reached: https://www.ey.com/en_uk/news/2022/0...ectric-vehicle

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/new-c...guide-updated/

The US has always been behind Europe in adopting new automotive technology, 25% of vehicle sales in China are now BEVs, too. The European and Korean manufacturers are just not investing much in ICE development anymore, the new platforms are almost all focused on BEVs, so it is unlikely ICE market share is going anywhere other than down.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by zero21

I'd be interested to know how steep the performance drop off is over a session, and how long that battery lasts.

For the Taycan, no noticeable change, less powertrain or cooling issues than with a typical M2/3/4 or non GT3 Porsche. For the Tesla Model S and 3, quite a bit of powertrain cooling and reduced power issues from those who have also tracked them in our club.

In terms of battery life, there shouldn’t be any issues for a properly engineered system (as Porsche certainly seem to have), as the charge rates on a 200kW charger are about equivalent to the discharge rates of a 500kW motor that spends about 1/2 of its time at full power, 1/3 at a steady low power rate while cornering and 1/6 of the time at full regen (at say 300kW) under braking. Most Li Ion batteries can give over 1000 full charges when using a decent battery management system, equivalent to about 500,000km of general use or about 100,000km of hard track use, not dissimilar to ICE engine lifespan and likely similar cost.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

If this is what makes you cheer, I’m not impressed.

It is technically a very interesting vehicle. I’m certainly more impressed with it than with any Luddite I’ve ever come across.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Our local track just banned EVs because they are not equipped to face an electric car fire. I heard it's so hard contain that most of the time firefighters will just let them burn up, it can be almost impossible to stop.

Extremely rare verses ICE Car-B-Q’s

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by aerobod

Many people don’t share your opinion that electric cars are crap, I know quite a few car enthusiasts who have both and are quite happy with their EVs.

In Europe people are free to buy what they want, but the cost of running EVs is substantially lower there compared with ICEs, even when the higher purchase price is taken into account.

The UK now has 70 BEV models to choose from, with higher demand and consequent wait times than ICEs in the same segment. Manufacturers can’t sell ICE only vehicles there from 2030. Consumers overall are demanding EVs there, although supply is more of an issue, it looks as though the tipping point has been reached: https://www.ey.com/en_uk/news/2022/0...ectric-vehicle

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/new-c...guide-updated/

The US has always been behind Europe in adopting new automotive technology, 25% of vehicle sales in China are now BEVs, too. The European and Korean manufacturers are just not investing much in ICE development anymore, the new platforms are almost all focused on BEVs, so it is unlikely ICE market share is going anywhere other than down.

Doesn’t really sound like a choice.

From the first link:

“ Rising penalties on internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles are cited as the main driver to buy an EV in the UK (46%), followed by environmental concerns (45%).”

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by aerobod

It is technically a very interesting vehicle. I’m certainly more impressed with it than with any Luddite I’ve ever come across.

Interesting if you don’t have a pulse and owning a car with an IPad glued to the dash is considered “technology” and “Luxury”

It’s clear we all have different values and tastes, if what some people have can be called that.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Was this written by ChatGPT?

So much to unpack there from a historical American political perspective...

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by M3WC

There are millions of the population that live in dense urban areas with no home garages. So no, many don't or will not have the ability to charge in their garage. Road tripping is a whole different issue.

Then there are the folks that live in older parts of large cities that don't have a garage and must rely on street parking. This issue has been popping up where people want/expect a dedicated parking spot in front of their home so they can install some form of charging. Municipalities who are pro-EV are denying these requests. There are significant hurtles to overcome if governments expect 100% adoption.