[rainfall]

no rwd option and no 6MT option. I'm hoping they'll make it available. No point auto AWD for me.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by rainfall

no rwd option and no 6MT option. I'm hoping they'll make it available. No point auto AWD for me.

Same for me, I'm afraid. I'm just glad I already have a 2 Series that I really, really like (and intend to keep).

OT: My car being priced 21% below MSRP was just gravy when I picked it up at the dealer. I was grateful that they still had it, and they were glad someone finally bought it.

[yanks1]

thanks.. I played around and priced it similar to my 2018 230i with M Sports & Premium (of course) along with Shadowline and HK Stereo. Priced very similar to my '18 which had Leather but not HK Audio and also I had to pay $300 for Apple CarPlay.

So overall a well priced vehicle, Don't love the exterior but don't dislike it either. Looks like my 2018 on steroids along w/more standard features

[AleksanderSuave]

Anyone else feel like the image quality on the customizer looks bad? Like reduced quality GIF bad..

Cant wait to see the new M2 at this point. Price is lower than I expected it to be, but interior options are very limited, and the wheel choices are pretty ugly.

[yanks1]

question... I'm interested in base 230i w/M Sports & Premium Pkgs; M240i is above my budget.

But for the base 2 series what would I gain selecting 19" wheel option vs the standard 18" wheels?? That option is priced at $600.. You think worth it or no???

[MassNerd]

Originally Posted by yanks1

question... I'm interested in base 230i w/M Sports & Premium Pkgs; M240i is above my budget.

But for the base 2 series what would I gain selecting 19" wheel option vs the standard 18" wheels?? That option is priced at $600.. You think worth it or no???

Mostly a cosmetic decision. Although if you have rough roads in your area, 19's could be a bit harsh. 18's are more practical and still are a really nice size (at least on the F22).

[yanks1]

thanks MassNerd, I had 18' on my '18 230i and never regretted... And Wheel choices on the Customizer look the same also so no issue there

[xugator]

Originally Posted by yanks1

question... I'm interested in base 230i w/M Sports & Premium Pkgs; M240i is above my budget.

But for the base 2 series what would I gain selecting 19" wheel option vs the standard 18" wheels?? That option is priced at $600.. You think worth it or no???

I’m looking at a very similar build. I think the wheels are well worth the 600 bucks and think they make the car look a lot better and sportier. I’m also not a fan of the looks of the 18” standard option. The 19” M bi color look great IMO

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Mike F.

Are they going to offer the manual now? Everything I read earlier indicated that the M2 would get a manual option but not the 240.

Mike

I have read this as well, I do not believe that the manual 6MT will be an option sub M2....

[rainfall]

Originally Posted by Frosty

I have read this as well, I do not believe that the manual 6MT will be an option sub M2....

I hope we're both wrong about no 6MT option for M240i. There is too much markup for the M2/dealer add-ons that I couldn't care less

When the M2 came out, you could get an M2 with leather seats, navigation etc for $52k . Now they made the competition package standard for many years for $58k. I don't need all this power/upgrades... nor can I afford a $58k car

[yanks1]

Originally Posted by xugator

I’m looking at a very similar build. I think the wheels are well worth the 600 bucks and think they make the car look a lot better and sportier. I’m also not a fan of the looks of the 18” standard option. The 19” M bi color look great IMO

agree! I want back to website and those excellent 797M style bi-color wheels are not available with base 18" wheels. I will definitely choose the 19" now... thanks

[morphomeman]

19" wheels in New England are a disaster waiting to happen! I got rid of mine as soon as the original wheel and tire insurance expired. AFAIK, the 1" difference in size makes a negligible difference in handling, unless you are a real expert, and even then, the tires make more of a difference than the size.

[yanks1]

I signed for Blue 230i order yesterday incl. deposit...

Went with the 19" Bi-color wheels plus M sports/Premium/Shadowline & HK Audio

[Rollo`]

Anyone know how long it takes to get one of these after ordering?

I haven't bought a new car in 35 years but I am really thinking about this one.

Shadowline is a given but red metallic over black or Porti blue over Red leather?

I've had sensatec and leather and didn't notice much difference so I could save money with Red over black sensatec.

I need to find out how important the cooling package is to a car that will not be tracked.

[Ugly Kar]

Originally Posted by Rollo`

Anyone know how long it takes to get one of these after ordering?

I haven't bought a new car in 35 years but I am really thinking about this one.

Shadowline is a given but red metallic over black or Porti blue over Red leather?

I've had sensatec and leather and didn't notice much difference so I could save money with Red over black sensatec.

I need to find out how important the cooling package is to a car that will not be tracked.

Waste of $ unless you're going to track it, or unless you plan on setting a new speed record up Tejon pass on a 110 deg day.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Rollo`

I need to find out how important the cooling package is to a car that will not be tracked.

To date, there's no evidence BMW is putting money into these cars to make them trackable.

From bmwusa.com:

"Increased capacity of the braking and drivetrain cooling systems guarantee long-lasting high performance under extreme driving conditions, particularly when driving in very high temperatures."

IOW, it's supposed to make a difference when driving 80 mph from Denver to St. Louis on a 105° day.

[Sportstick]

Originally Posted by dradernh

To date, there's no evidence BMW is putting money into these cars to make them trackable.

From bmwusa.com:

"Increased capacity of the braking and drivetrain cooling systems guarantee long-lasting high performance under extreme driving conditions, particularly when driving in very high temperatures."

IOW, it's supposed to make a difference when driving 80 mph from Denver to St. Louis on a 105° day.

But, what would that difference be? It won’t otherwise sustain 80mph? I drive my 2015 without any such optional feature in 100F to 115F temperatures in our southwest summers. No problems and I don’t see other cars around me struggling at those speeds either, and doubt the general population is ordering these kinds of packages.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

But, what would that difference be? It won’t otherwise sustain 80mph? I drive my 2015 without any such optional feature in 100F to 115F temperatures in our southwest summers. No problems and I don’t see other cars around me struggling at those speeds either, and doubt the general population is ordering these kinds of packages.

No idea, and no idea how to get BMW to explain their statement.

I think "long-lasting" is the key part in the sentence, whatever it means specifically.

IIRC, power has been raised to 382 HP, and that means more heat. It may be that what worked satisfactorily in terms of an owner's usage at 335 HP won't work as well long-term at the higher HP. But that's just a guess on my part.

[Nickies]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

But, what would that difference be? It won’t otherwise sustain 80mph? I drive my 2015 without any such optional feature in 100F to 115F temperatures in our southwest summers. No problems and I don’t see other cars around me struggling at those speeds either, and doubt the general population is ordering these kinds of packages.

Agree with you. This package is a waste of money unless a buyer expect to be on the track every weekend and it's not sure it is even needed.

[Nickies]

Originally Posted by dradernh

No idea, and no idea how to get BMW to explain their statement.

I think "long-lasting" is the key part in the sentence, whatever it means specifically.

IIRC, power has been raised to 382 HP, and that means more heat. It may be that what worked satisfactorily in terms of an owner's usage at 335 HP won't work as well long-term at the higher HP. But that's just a guess on my part.

The car is the same size as a 340 and the grille have shutters. The heat dissipation is not a problem no matter the power increase.

This option is just for tracking in extreme conditions and nothing else. There is no way somebody will even stress this engine in desert driving conditions and by experience, I know what I am talking about.

[Fasteddy1]

I did not see the option to delete the sunroof. Wonder if that will be available later?

Pat

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Nickies

This option is just for tracking in extreme conditions and nothing else.

The number of 2 Series xDrive owners tracking their cars is vanishingly small. BMW marketing has no reason to create a genuine track package for this car (not that this is a genuine track package). The 2 Series track package comes in the form of the M2.

If xDrive owners aren't going to the track (something BMW will be well aware of), why would an xDrive buyer choose this option?

Originally Posted by Fasteddy1

I did not see the option to delete the sunroof. Wonder if that will be available later?

I've been surprised for years now that BMW has continued to offer the option. Clearly, it hasn't hurt their bottom line or I don't think they would have kept offering it.