Clutch stop or Universal clutch pedal (Manual)

kamilbaran · 07-20-2023, 04:20 PM

Just wanting to see what everyone's seem to have done with their manual 2 series? I'm coming from learning off a stage 2 focus rs clutch and driving that for a year. Recently got my hands on a '17 m240i manual, and after about 2 months I would like to adjust something with it. The clutch feel is way different between the two cars, and I am not sure I enjoy the bmw feel as much. I feel there's too much deadspace but is there a reason to spend the extra $ for the clutch pedal upgrade? Or is the simple ECS clutch stop more than enough to show a positive difference. My other issue is I also am stock clutch on stage 2+ BM3 map, very fun. I felt the clutch related issues though with dead space and unneeded travel when I first got the car. Whats everyone using with their manuals to fix it?

John in VA · 07-20-2023, 06:49 PM

I put in a $10 clutch stop - works great for what it's intended for.

Kernel Kurtz · 07-20-2023, 09:51 PM

Used to be able to just remove the CDV (Clutch Delay Valve) on earlier models. In these cars it is built into the slave cylinder, but still doable with a bit more work. Apparently makes a significant difference. Here is a how-to for F30 but F22 is the same.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1486773

kamilbaran · 07-21-2023, 07:41 AM

Thank you both for feedback, if I can get away with just the clutch stop (although you have to drill into the pedal) it’s cheap and seems simple to install. The Pedal looks great but I would just prefer not to spend 300 to adjust unless someone tells me it’s too worth it to not get.

freakystyly · 07-21-2023, 08:58 AM

The clutch stop replaces an existing rubber nub behind the pedal. No drilling. I don't have experience with the ultimate pedal but I found the clutch stop bumper to be good enough for me.

I followed Kern's CDV youtube video and it worked out well, used a screw to extract the restriction plate and rubber.

kamilbaran · 07-21-2023, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by freakystyly

The clutch stop replaces an existing rubber nub behind the pedal. No drilling. I don't have experience with the ultimate pedal but I found the clutch stop bumper to be good enough for me.

I followed Kern's CDV youtube video and it worked out well, used a screw to extract the restriction plate and rubber.

I must’ve seen a bad video showing how to install the stop, in the one i saw he drilled into the the pedal i believe it around there to have it sit in place. Saw the video a bit ago but I didn’t know Kern had one up relating to the clutch stop, appreciate you letting me know that.

bcwalks2 · 07-22-2023, 09:21 AM

Had my 235i for 3 years now, definitely has a longgggg clutch pedal with a lot of dead space. Have thought about doing the clutch stop, but I am used to what I have now. For a few bucks though, might be worth giving it a shot.

freakystyly · 07-22-2023, 10:04 AM

My bad, the Kern video I was referring to the clutch delay valve. He does other great clips as well.

Re: the clutch stop, you can see where it is in this video... @ 1:19 seconds

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=..._&opi=89978449

SpencerC_6MT · 07-23-2023, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kernel Kurtz

Used to be able to just remove the CDV (Clutch Delay Valve) on earlier models. In these cars it is built into the slave cylinder, but still doable with a bit more work. Apparently makes a significant difference. Here is a how-to for F30 but F22 is the same.

https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1486773

CDV delete made little difference for me, but the M240i is/was my first manual car and the manual I learned on, so I could've learned how to work around it sufficiently without even noticing. If you ever have clutch slip between gears on aggressive shifts, this will cure it 75% in my experience. I also used to have moments where the car would behave a little different than I expected and cause a bog or rough shift, which I think were attributed to the CDV. It's probably not going to change your world, though.

kamilbaran · 07-24-2023, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SpencerC_6MT

CDV delete made little difference for me, but the M240i is/was my first manual car and the manual I learned on, so I could've learned how to work around it sufficiently without even noticing. If you ever have clutch slip between gears on aggressive shifts, this will cure it 75% in my experience. I also used to have moments where the car would behave a little different than I expected and cause a bog or rough shift, which I think were attributed to the CDV. It's probably not going to change your world, though.

I have noticed those odd rough shifts/ slight bogs that happen on occasion. Usually for me it's when I am in low gears. I've learned to work around it but I have noticed that sometimes I can't do anything but cringe.

XutvJet · 07-26-2023, 01:25 PM

You can make a clutch stop with some 3M double-sided tape a rubber stopper you put on chair legs to keep them from sliding/scratching the floor.

I've had the adjustable Ultimate Clutch Pedal (UCP) for 6 years. It lowers the resting point of the clutch pedal to be fractionally below the brake pedal, effectively shortening the clutch pedal throw. The UCP is also adjustable for weight. It's a great part that fixes many of the OEM clutch pedal's ills.

I've had a non-CDV slave cylinder sitting in my garage for 2 years. I need to do the install as my biggest compliant with the clutch system on this car is the CDV which causes the catch point to move around which is super annoying to someone that has driven manuals for 3 decades. My Cayman's clutch catch point is perfect.

kamilbaran · 07-26-2023, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XutvJet

You can make a clutch stop with some 3M double-sided tape a rubber stopper you put on chair legs to keep them from sliding/scratching the floor.

I've had the adjustable Ultimate Clutch Pedal (UCP) for 6 years. It lowers the resting point of the clutch pedal to be fractionally below the brake pedal, effectively shortening the clutch pedal throw. The UCP is also adjustable for weight. It's a great part that fixes many of the OEM clutch pedal's ills.

I've had a non-CDV slave cylinder sitting in my garage for 2 years. I need to do the install as my biggest compliant with the clutch system on this car is the CDV which causes the catch point to move around which is super annoying to someone that has driven manuals for 3 decades. My Cayman's clutch catch point is perfect.

Thank you for input, would you say the one thing that is limiting the car for you now is just the CDV? or does the pedal and clutch stop help or make a general difference. My biggest issue is going 1-2 and 2-3 i feel the clutch grab is off more time than not

XutvJet · 07-26-2023, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamilbaran

Thank you for input, would you say the one thing that is limiting the car for you now is just the CDV? or does the pedal and clutch stop help or make a general difference. My biggest issue is going 1-2 and 2-3 i feel the clutch grab is off more time than not

The clutch stop makes gauging the catch point slightly easier. It is a worthwhile mod but don't get too aggressive with the stop thickness as it can cause shifting issues as it may not allow the clutch to disengage fully.

The 1-2 and 2-3 shifts on these cars can be hard to make smooth. I've learned that revving out to at least 3500-4000rpms makes a big difference in making for smoother, more consistent shifts. Try that. These 6MTs don't like to be short shifted.

Sportstick · 07-26-2023, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamilbaran

Thank you for input, would you say the one thing that is limiting the car for you now is just the CDV? or does the pedal and clutch stop help or make a general difference. My biggest issue is going 1-2 and 2-3 i feel the clutch grab is off more time than not

Read from Post #33 forward.

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1945589

kamilbaran · 07-26-2023, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XutvJet

The clutch stop makes gauging the catch point slightly easier. It is a worthwhile mod but don't get too aggressive with the stop thickness as it can cause shifting issues as it may not allow the clutch to disengage fully.

The 1-2 and 2-3 shifts on these cars can be hard to make smooth. I've learned that revving out to at least 3500-4000rpms makes a big difference in making for smoother, more consistent shifts. Try that. These 6MTs don't like to be short shifted.

I’ve noticed when I do shift towards 3k RPM (lower gear) it does shift way better and doesn’t feel clunky, I will try up to 4k rpms next time I drive it. Thanks for your feedback man really helps me out !

kamilbaran · 07-26-2023, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportstick

Read from Post #33 forward.

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1945589

Thank you for sharing this thread.

07-20-2023, 04:20 PM	#1
kamilbaran Private First Class 138 Rep 182 Posts Drives: '18 Yas Marina M3, '17 M240i Join Date: May 2022 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	Clutch stop or Universal clutch pedal (Manual) Just wanting to see what everyone's seem to have done with their manual 2 series? I'm coming from learning off a stage 2 focus rs clutch and driving that for a year. Recently got my hands on a '17 m240i manual, and after about 2 months I would like to adjust something with it. The clutch feel is way different between the two cars, and I am not sure I enjoy the bmw feel as much. I feel there's too much deadspace but is there a reason to spend the extra $ for the clutch pedal upgrade? Or is the simple ECS clutch stop more than enough to show a positive difference. My other issue is I also am stock clutch on stage 2+ BM3 map, very fun. I felt the clutch related issues though with dead space and unneeded travel when I first got the car. Whats everyone using with their manuals to fix it?
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kamilbaran Private First Class 138 Rep 182 Posts Drives: '18 Yas Marina M3, '17 M240i Join Date: May 2022 Location: Chicago iTrader: (0)	Thank you both for feedback, if I can get away with just the clutch stop (although you have to drill into the pedal) it’s cheap and seems simple to install. The Pedal looks great but I would just prefer not to spend 300 to adjust unless someone tells me it’s too worth it to not get.
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freakystyly Lieutenant Colonel 3008 Rep 1,798 Posts Drives: F22 B58 6MT Join Date: May 2016 Location: Ontario iTrader: (0)	The clutch stop replaces an existing rubber nub behind the pedal. No drilling. I don't have experience with the ultimate pedal but I found the clutch stop bumper to be good enough for me. I followed Kern's CDV youtube video and it worked out well, used a screw to extract the restriction plate and rubber.
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bcwalks2 First Lieutenant 274 Rep 399 Posts Drives: 2016 M235i & 2018 X3 M40i Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Illinois iTrader: (0)	Had my 235i for 3 years now, definitely has a longgggg clutch pedal with a lot of dead space. Have thought about doing the clutch stop, but I am used to what I have now. For a few bucks though, might be worth giving it a shot. __________________ Garage: 2022 Telluride Nightfall 2016 Suzuki DRZ 400 2016 M235i Mineral Gray/Coral Red 2018 X3 M40i Alpine White/Black - SOLD
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Kernel Kurtz Major 347 Rep 1,016 Posts Drives: 2020 M240i xDrive Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Winnipeg, Canada iTrader: (0)	Used to be able to just remove the CDV (Clutch Delay Valve) on earlier models. In these cars it is built into the slave cylinder, but still doable with a bit more work. Apparently makes a significant difference. Here is a how-to for F30 but F22 is the same. https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1486773
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freakystyly Lieutenant Colonel 3008 Rep 1,798 Posts Drives: F22 B58 6MT Join Date: May 2016 Location: Ontario iTrader: (0)	My bad, the Kern video I was referring to the clutch delay valve. He does other great clips as well. Re: the clutch stop, you can see where it is in this video... @ 1:19 seconds https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=..._&opi=89978449
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XutvJet Major General 5556 Rep 5,372 Posts Drives: 2011 Cayman Base, 2016 M235 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Kansas City iTrader: (-1)	You can make a clutch stop with some 3M double-sided tape a rubber stopper you put on chair legs to keep them from sliding/scratching the floor. I've had the adjustable Ultimate Clutch Pedal (UCP) for 6 years. It lowers the resting point of the clutch pedal to be fractionally below the brake pedal, effectively shortening the clutch pedal throw. The UCP is also adjustable for weight. It's a great part that fixes many of the OEM clutch pedal's ills. I've had a non-CDV slave cylinder sitting in my garage for 2 years. I need to do the install as my biggest compliant with the clutch system on this car is the CDV which causes the catch point to move around which is super annoying to someone that has driven manuals for 3 decades. My Cayman's clutch catch point is perfect. __________________ The forest was shrinking, but the Trees kept voting for the Axe, for the Axe was clever and convinced the Trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
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