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View Poll Results: What is your engine of choice for the upcoming M2?
i4, and I won't buy an M2 otherwise 14 2.75%
I4, but I don't really care either way and I would consider an M2 regardless 70 13.73%
I6, but I don't really care either way and I would consider an M2 regardless 124 24.31%
I6 only for me. I ain't buying an M2 with anything else 302 59.22%
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      05-02-2013, 12:21 AM   #111
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Lets face it the m2 isnt gonna be cheap, I doubt the couple o fbucks the 4banger is gonna save us isnt why were buying the car.
It should have the N54 tuned to about 350hp and itll be a good seller.
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      05-02-2013, 12:53 AM   #112
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I also prefer the I6 but it would depend on weight and throttle response. I love quick throttle response and if they made a very light M2, that would be the best for me. I have driven the new F30 4 cylinder and the throttle response is impressive. It doesn't sound good but most of the turbo motors don't sound as good as the NA motors anyway.
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      05-02-2013, 02:50 AM   #113
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Please!!! i4

i4 2.0 litre is better. efficiancy, save weight distribution 50:50. more wight in front need more wieght at the back to make 50:50 weight distribution.......2.0 litre i4 with 235kW power
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      05-02-2013, 05:32 AM   #114
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I would buy both, I4 or I6, however due to emission standards, fuel economy, downsizing and other regulations, i think it will be a lightweight/I4 combo.

The legendary E30 M3 was 4cyl, lightweight, superb handeling, it offered specially engineered parts like gearbox, chassis, suspension, diff etc... E30 6 cylinder models where available at the same time...

M2 like all other M/// cars should offer a package with specially engineerd M parts like lightweight bodyparts, (carbon roof), bigger (better) brakes, suspension, chassis, wider track, wheels, exhaust, interior/exterior details (seats, wider flares, fenders...).
So one can sepperate a true M/// car from the other "normal car" perhaps upgraded with performance package like M235i.

For the matter of the 4cyl, let's take a quick look at the 328i engine.
Simply adding the hartge software brings it up to almost 300hp...


Imagine the bmw engineers giving it the "alpina-treatment", upgrading the cranckshaft, pistons, inlet manifold, exhaust system, extra (better) oilcooling, extra watercooling, sparkplugs, cam's, mapping, using magnesium/aluminium alloy cast for enginebody, higher redline
I'm guessing it could easilly put out 300 plus horsepower.

For the matter of sound of 4cyl. WRC cars (turbocharged) today make a great sound...
Personnally E30 M3, 2.5l with carbon airbox, OMG what a sound! When in front of the car, only induction noise. Good times! When in back, only exhaust...


Sure, there is nothing like a N/A I6 like the s54, but as previously mentionned, due to emmissions etc, we've probabbly seen the last N/A engine in the E90/92 M3. It 's truly sad, but i'm guessing we will never see N/A engine in a BMW road car in the future again.

I'm changing cars in a couple of years (2), but before i decide, i'm looking at the new M3/M4, M235i, and of course M2. Waithing on the reviews of the journo's befor i buy one of these cars. I would consider the alpina B3 biturbo aswell or M135i.

(sorry for my bad english, i'm dutch/French speaking belgian)

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      05-02-2013, 08:53 AM   #115
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I would love an I6 motor, but if they can build a Turbo I4 motor that redlines about 8k and pulls hard to the redline I'd take that. Wishful thinking.....
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      05-02-2013, 09:31 AM   #116
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      05-02-2013, 09:45 AM   #117
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I'd really love to see a turbo i-4, but would consider the I-6 Either way, I believe this car will be great regardless of powerplant. Two years seems like an eternity.
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      05-02-2013, 10:05 AM   #118
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Originally Posted by heli-jurgen View Post
Sure, there is nothing like a N/A I6 like the s54, but as previously mentionned, due to emmissions etc, we've probabbly seen the last N/A engine in the E90/92 M3. It 's truly sad, but i'm guessing we will never see N/A engine in a BMW road car in the future again.
Don't feed into the BMW marketing/propaganda machine.

It can be done by focusing on lightweight tech. Look at Porsche pushing 400hp in 991S, getting 27 mpg on highway. Even Nissan is getting 26mpg with the 370Z.

A lightweight M2 with a normally aspirated 6cyclinder is more than do-able.
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      05-02-2013, 11:13 AM   #119
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Frankly, I still would like to see BMW put a 4.4 NA V8 in a M2 and stop the BS with all of these models.
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      05-02-2013, 11:17 AM   #120
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After working on 3 generations of I6 with the same crap poorly placed etc on all of them.... I would (selfishly ) prefer a high output na 4. 250-325hp.
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After working on 3 generations of I6 with the same crap poorly placed etc on all of them.... I would (selfishly ) prefer a high output na 4. 250-325hp.
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It would be nice to hear from Scott26. I would be very curious on whether the results of this poll differ from BMW's own market research.

If anything, I would think the larger buying population that do not troll these forums and may not be aware of this car until they see it in the showroom would be more inclined towards a 6 cylinder (for badge whoring reasons) than the enthusiast community represented on this forum
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Originally Posted by heli-jurgen View Post
I would buy both, I4 or I6, however due to emission standards, fuel economy, downsizing and other regulations, i think it will be a lightweight/I4 combo.

The legendary E30 M3 was 4cyl, lightweight, superb handeling, it offered specially engineered parts like gearbox, chassis, suspension, diff etc... E30 6 cylinder models where available at the same time...

M2 like all other M/// cars should offer a package with specially engineerd M parts like lightweight bodyparts, (carbon roof), bigger (better) brakes, suspension, chassis, wider track, wheels, exhaust, interior/exterior details (seats, wider flares, fenders...).
So one can sepperate a true M/// car from the other "normal car" perhaps upgraded with performance package like M235i.

For the matter of the 4cyl, let's take a quick look at the 328i engine.
Simply adding the hartge software brings it up to almost 300hp...


Imagine the bmw engineers giving it the "alpina-treatment", upgrading the cranckshaft, pistons, inlet manifold, exhaust system, extra (better) oilcooling, extra watercooling, sparkplugs, cam's, mapping, using magnesium/aluminium alloy cast for enginebody, higher redline
I'm guessing it could easilly put out 300 plus horsepower.

For the matter of sound of 4cyl. WRC cars (turbocharged) today make a great sound...
Personnally E30 M3, 2.5l with carbon airbox, OMG what a sound! When in front of the car, only induction noise. Good times! When in back, only exhaust...


Sure, there is nothing like a N/A I6 like the s54, but as previously mentionned, due to emmissions etc, we've probabbly seen the last N/A engine in the E90/92 M3. It 's truly sad, but i'm guessing we will never see N/A engine in a BMW road car in the future again.

I'm changing cars in a couple of years (2), but before i decide, i'm looking at the new M3/M4, M235i, and of course M2. Waithing on the reviews of the journo's befor i buy one of these cars. I would consider the alpina B3 biturbo aswell or M135i.

(sorry for my bad english, i'm dutch/French speaking belgian)




you made every point I would have made. And I also used to own an E30 m3 with 2.5 and carbon airbox
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It would be nice to hear from Scott26. I would be very curious on whether the results of this poll differ from BMW's own market research.

If anything, I would think the larger buying population that do not troll these forums and may not be aware of this car until they see it in the showroom would be more inclined towards a 6 cylinder (for badge whoring reasons) than the enthusiast community represented on this forum

decision won't be made based on " market research" but more likely due to things like CAFE regulations..
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There's no way they will have a M235i with an N55, and an M2 with two cylinders less. And yes, I would only consider the I6.

what.. you mean like they did in the 80s with the 4 cyl S14 in the E30 M3 and the 6 cyl M20 in the 325is?

yeah.. NO WAY they would EVER do that.. !


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I6.



If they are going to screw up an M with an I4 they may as well go all the way and make it front wheel drive!
hello... McFly!!!!........ too bad they already " screwed up " an M with an I4 and made one of the winningest touring cars of all time.. Oh wait... and the car that begat ALL other M3s ...... wow..



some of you alleged BMW fans need a HISTORY lesson or two.... because apparently you have become INLINE 6 fans and not fans of Bayerische Motoren Werke.... Emphasis on the MOTOREN.

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V8 twin turbo please!
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      05-02-2013, 01:25 PM   #127
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Frankly, I still would like to see BMW put a 4.4 NA V8 in a M2 and stop the BS with all of these models.
You are so right, If we look only facts and choices are I4TC, I6TC or V8 N/A, target power 370-380bhp, best to drive is very compact and small stroke 3.8L or 3.6L V8 N/A, it´s lighter than I4TC or I6TC. Consuption is only higher, so it need electricmotor to be as effiency as turbocharged engine.

Like RPA- radical V8, yes race-engine only 2.6L but still It weigths only 88kg.
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I'll be honest I didn't read this thread. I don't care if it's a high strung NA 4 or a tti6 or whatever (ideally they put an e90 m3 na v8 in there) as long as it's port injection. Direct injection is no fun.
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To all of you talking about V8's, hopefully you land safely back on planet earth !!
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To all of you talking about V8's, hopefully you land safely back on planet earth !!
hahaha, right you are! +1
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That's because 65% of the people in here are too young to remember 4cylinder cars.

I'll take the E30 M3 over the E30 325is M Technik any day. Only real enthusiasts know the difference and why. 95% of all BMW drivers have no clue what engine in in their car anyway, it fit their lease range and color combo.

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I'd love an E30 M3, but that's not the same thing as an M2 with a four cylinder. The E30 M3 was a much, much lighter car than we'll see with the M2. The only way we're getting back to E30 weight ranges is when composites become cheap enough to use in mid-range sports cars. That could be a ways off, and by then, they'll be electric anyway.

If we get an I4 in the M2, it will be turbocharged to some ridiculous level. I bought a 135i instead of an Evo or STi primarily because of the difference in character. The N54/N55 is much more linear in its power delivery. The S14 was well regarded for its linear delivery as well.

In contrast, a 2.0L I4 turbocharged to 300 HP is always going to struggle in the low RPM range unless you fit some exotic solution like a variable geometry turbo or some sort of hybrid-electric gizmo. It's a matter of physics.

With the M235i having a turbo I6, I just can't see BMW putting an I4 in the M2. There's just too much risk to perception from buyers.
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