[mdputnam]

Originally Posted by menncars

Looked at kmac. Looks like they only have the 3 hole design. Nothing for 5 holes?

Here is the 2016 K-Mac Catalog. It states that F22 5 hole is supported. The interesting thing is the 3 hole part number (#192616-2 N) will fit the F22 and F32, but the 5 hole F32 gets a different part number (#192816-2 O) while the 5 hole F22 uses the same three hole part number (#192616-2 N).

[Pparana]

Originally Posted by rwalker

I just bought a pair of the KMAC Stage 2s. They support 5-holes and 3-holes with knockout studs. Pretty slick. I haven't installed 'em yet, but will review once I do.

On mine, they did not support the single strut brace design, you can order the split two piece or just cut the center out of existing. Real OEM shows both.

This may have been fixed, mine are almost 2 years old now.

The other point is you have to be extremely cautious on torquing the bolts. If you go to an alignment shop I would tell them to just hand tighten and a half turn w a socket.

Get an inch pounds 1/4 drive and use that for final. The studs will strip easy.

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by mdputnam

Here is the 2016 K-Mac Catalog. It states that F22 5 hole is supported. The interesting thing is the 3 hole part number (#192616-2 N) will fit the F22 and F32, but the 5 hole F32 gets a different part number (#192816-2 O) while the 5 hole F22 uses the same three hole part number (#192616-2 N).

The 5 hole can work on early production cars depending on their design.

[rwalker]

Originally Posted by Anthony235

Lol how many camber plates have you gone through now?

5 sets of GC
3 sets of Dinan (waiting on 4th)
1 set of TC Kline
2 sets of K-MAC
1 set of Vorshlag (waiting on 2nd)
==========
12 sets + waiting on 2

I'm also working with a friend on possibly producing our own design

[DVC]

Originally Posted by rwalker

5 sets of GC
3 sets of Dinan (waiting on 4th)
1 set of TC Kline
2 sets of K-MAC
1 set of Vorshlag (waiting on 2nd)
==========
12 sets + waiting on 2

I'm also working with a friend on possibly producing our own design

[zipphreak]

Rwalker, Damn thats crazy! I assume you have done all them yourself. That's a ton of shop labor if not

I'm interested in Dinan's fix, on how they fixed it and how they turn out. Along with the Vorshlag's modified design to support the stock isolator (why it was excluded is beyond me).., and these KMAC's.. Not alot of info on them, but they have been out for a while!

[Polo08816]

Those camber plates seem pretty expensive.

I'm pretty sure I can just eye ball where the strut bolt holes should be relative to the stock bolt hole positions and drill the holes I need into the strut mount tower with some home/garage tools.

It's not like camber plates are rocket science.

[rwalker]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

I'm pretty sure I can just eye ball where the strut bolt holes should be relative to the stock bolt hole positions and drill the holes I need into the strut mount tower with some home/garage tools.

It's a nice thought, but the stock plates are shaped in such a way as to protrude through the center of the strut tower, so you'd also need to make that hole larger.

Please keep the community informed of your progress in this regard.

[rwalker]

Originally Posted by zipphreak

Rwalker, Damn thats crazy! I assume you have done all them yourself. That's a ton of shop labor if not

I'm interested in Dinan's fix, on how they fixed it and how they turn out. Along with the Vorshlag's modified design to support the stock isolator (why it was excluded is beyond me).., and these KMAC's.. Not alot of info on them, but they have been out for a while!

The first few GC plates were a shop, and the first K-MAC attempt was a shop (aborted halfway when we found they didn't fit). The rest were DIY.

[Polo08816]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Those camber plates seem pretty expensive.

I'm pretty sure I can just eye ball where the strut bolt holes should be relative to the stock bolt hole positions and drill the holes I need into the strut mount tower with some home/garage tools.

It's not like camber plates are rocket science.

Originally Posted by rwalker

It's a nice thought, but the stock plates are shaped in such a way as to protrude through the center of the strut tower, so you'd also need to make that hole larger.

Please keep the community informed of your progress in this regard.

That's not too hard. You could enlarge that original hole with a Dremel tool.

[rwalker]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

That's not too hard. You could enlarge that original hole with a Dremel tool.

I think you'll have to show us

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by Polo08816

Those camber plates seem pretty expensive.

I'm pretty sure I can just eye ball where the strut bolt holes should be relative to the stock bolt hole positions and drill the holes I need into the strut mount tower with some home/garage tools.

It's not like camber plates are rocket science.

We all hope it's that easy.

[casualDIYer]

Originally Posted by rwalker

5 sets of GC
3 sets of Dinan (waiting on 4th)
1 set of TC Kline
2 sets of K-MAC
1 set of Vorshlag (waiting on 2nd)
==========
12 sets + waiting on 2

I'm also working with a friend on possibly producing our own design

Wow. If you've had 12 sets of plates on the same model of 2 series? On the same car? I'm designating you as No BS when it comes to camber plates guy.

Is it really that hard to have a camber plate that adds between 1 and 2 degrees of camber, utilizes the rubber boot to help prevent premature wear of the strut piston due to salt/dirt fouling, and uses an isolator to limit spring-to-perch grinding noise or vibration? I guess it is since multiple companies seem to still be looking for the secret formula and most of these companies have good reputations. Staying tuned.

Love to see a summary comparison of the plates.

[rwalker]

Originally Posted by menncars

Wow. If you've had 12 sets of plates on the same model of 2 series? On the same car? I'm designating you as No BS when it comes to camber plates guy.

Some of them didn't go on the car (e.g. the 2nd and 3rd sets of GC or the 1st set of KMAC), but yep: all on the same car. I appreciate the designation .

Originally Posted by menncars

Is it really that hard to have a camber plate that adds between 1 and 2 degrees of camber, utilizes the rubber boot to help prevent premature wear of the strut piston due to salt/dirt fouling, and uses an isolator to limit spring-to-perch grinding noise or vibration? I guess it is since multiple companies seem to still be looking for the secret formula and most of these companies have good reputations. Staying tuned.

I don't think it should be that hard. Many of these companies are starting from scratch for this platform, though. A camber plate for this platform requires fresh thinking, and so E36, E46, E90, experience can't be leveraged. I'd also volunteer that some companies are using their reputations to foist clearly under-developed products on this community.

Originally Posted by menncars

Love to see a summary comparison of the plates.

I've posted a one-liner summary for each brand somewhere, maybe this thread? I've tried not to throw companies under the bus for issues with products that they're actively working on improving. I (and a few others) kinda served as development mules for the GC plates. GC was very helpful through the whole process, and I think now they have something on essentially equal footing with the best I've tried.

[DVC]

Originally Posted by rwalker

...I (and a few others) kinda served as development mules for the GC plates. GC was very helpful through the whole process, and I think now they have something on essentially equal footing with the best I've tried.

As one of the few others, I fully agree...It's certainly worth noting that GC has been very supportive as I tested one of their early beta sets, and ever since while I've been running one of their revised sets. Great customer support.

[HP Autosport]

Originally Posted by menncars

Wow. If you've had 12 sets of plates on the same model of 2 series? On the same car? I'm designating you as No BS when it comes to camber plates guy.

Is it really that hard to have a camber plate that adds between 1 and 2 degrees of camber, utilizes the rubber boot to help prevent premature wear of the strut piston due to salt/dirt fouling, and uses an isolator to limit spring-to-perch grinding noise or vibration? I guess it is since multiple companies seem to still be looking for the secret formula and most of these companies have good reputations. Staying tuned.

Love to see a summary comparison of the plates.

If it were that easy and doesn't cost a bunch of money to do it, we would have attempted it too.

Some of the vendors mentioned above have been at this game for 20+ years and still can't get the F2x F3x F8x camber plates right. Dinan, probably the largest company out of the bunch with the most engineering staff, still failed.

That said, camber plates(TCKline and Vorshlag) on coilovers have been great and no issues to my knowledge.

[Anthony235]

Originally Posted by HP Autosport

If it were that easy and doesn't cost a bunch of money to do it, we would have attempted it too.

Some of the vendors mentioned above have been at this game for 20+ years and still can't get the F2x F3x F8x camber plates right. Dinan, probably the largest company out of the bunch with the most engineering staff, still failed.

That said, camber plates(TCKline and Vorshlag) on coilovers have been great and no issues to my knowledge.

PM'd you with a coilover +Vorshlag setup question.

[dsaylors]

Does anyone have updates on the revised Vorshlag plates? I am looking to purchase soon but would like to know if the noise issue has been resolved.

[rwalker]

the updated perch design is not yet available, I was told a couple more weeks

[allthatisntnow]

As expected, the boot doesnt last long on the existing perch.
Circa 3k miles after install:

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by csg

I posed this question in another thread a few months back to very little interest. Looks like there is interest building and that's awesome! I would kill for a "set and forget" option that gives me -1.5(ish) degrees at stock ride height and retains some more NVH. IMO that's the perfect solution to a guy like me who drives their car enthusiastically every day, and in anger on track once or twice every couple of years.

Maybe another thread with a poll is in order?

Gents,

Found these [albeit for Z3] from Comp Brake here in the UK - would something like this to suit F series be a solution....???



http://www.compbrake.com/product/239/

BP

[Icy J]

Originally Posted by HP Autosport

That said, camber plates(TCKline and Vorshlag) on coilovers have been great and no issues to my knowledge.

Does this imply that the majority of issues regarding the plates are with stock suspension rather than with aftermarket coilovers?