[icin235]

3440 lbs with tank just above half full. 6spd. No Sunroof.
Weighed at DMV certified scale.

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[hwntime]

Yeah, these cars are surprisingly heavy.

[petegtsv10]

Did you happen to do a front and a rear weighing, too?

[shadowfax]

Originally Posted by petegtsv10

Did you happen to do a front and a rear weighing, too?

Alpine F31 posted some front and rear weights before: https://www.2addicts.com/forums/show....php?t=1134338

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by petegtsv10

Did you happen to do a front and a rear weighing, too?

I have the corner weights for my M240i; this includes the 170-pound driver and ½-tank of fuel, plus a bunch of stuff including that seen in my signature. The total is very similar to that of the OP.

[XutvJet]

My 2016 M235 6mt with no moonroof and a 1/4 tank was just at 3,390lbs.

A friend's M235 8at with a moonroof and 1/2 tank was 3,540lbs on the same scale.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by hwntime

Yeah, these cars are surprisingly heavy.

Compared to other 2+2 sports coupes out there, it's fairly light by today's standards. A current gen Mustang GT and Camaro SS are in the 3650-3750lb range.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Compared to other 2+2 sports coupes out there, it's fairly light by today's standards. A current gen Mustang GT and Camaro SS are in the 3650-3750lb range.

The principal reason I chose this car over those two was for the lower weight. I've also owned a number of BMWs, so I had a pretty good idea what I was getting into.

I really wanted the low weight offered by the BRZ or the Miata, but in the end decided that another BMW was the best all-around fit given how I would use it.

I do wish this car was lighter, but those days are gone.

[hwntime]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Compared to other 2+2 sports coupes out there, it's fairly light by today's standards. A current gen Mustang GT and Camaro SS are in the 3650-3750lb range.

Size-wise those cars are not even in the same class. There's a 13" difference in length between the BMW and Ford. I had a Mustang GT rental last month and that car was HUGE and clunky driving. Hard to explain but it felt like I was in a boat in comparison to the F22. Motor sounded sweet and it did have a lot of torque with the 5.0L, but it just isn't a nice driving car.

Size-wise, the BRZ and FRS would be a more comparable vehicle at 167" vs the F22's 175" while the Ford comes in a 188". The BRZ average curb weight clocks in around 2800lbs. Of course FWD vs RWD so it's not apples to apples, but it does weigh much lighter. And of course the rear seats in the BRZ/FRS are hardly useable.

[icin235]

Great info for everyone. Thank you! To sum it up:

M235 6mt with no moonroof and a 1/4 tank weighed in at 3,390lbs.

M235i 6mt with no moonroof and over 1/2 tank was 3440lbs.

M235i 8at with moonroof and 1/2 tank was 3,540lbs.

[CP911]

Nice. Any M240i numbers?

[liebetrau88]

Originally Posted by hwntime

Size-wise those cars are not even in the same class. There's a 13" difference in length between the BMW and Ford. I had a Mustang GT rental last month and that car was HUGE and clunky driving. Hard to explain but it felt like I was in a boat in comparison to the F22. Motor sounded sweet and it did have a lot of torque with the 5.0L, but it just isn't a nice driving car.

Size-wise, the BRZ and FRS would be a more comparable vehicle at 167" vs the F22's 175" while the Ford comes in a 188". The BRZ average curb weight clocks in around 2800lbs. Of course FWD vs RWD so it's not apples to apples, but it does weigh much lighter. And of course the rear seats in the BRZ/FRS are hardly useable.

Which car are you referring to that is FWD? F22, BRZ and Mustang are all RWD.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by CP911

Nice. Any M240i numbers?

See Post #5 in this thread.

[arhoads335i]

Originally Posted by icin235

3440 lbs with tank just above half full. 6spd. No Sunroof.
Weighed at DMV certified scale.

Search brought up no real info on this so here you go:

OP anything done to your car like full exhaust or bigger FMIC?

[icin235]

Originally Posted by arhoads335i

OP anything done to your car like full exhaust or bigger FMIC?

No, it's got a stock motor with M Performance exhaust. Wheels weigh close to stock.

[snaketh]

Originally Posted by icin235

No, it's got a stock motor with M Performance exhaust. Wheels weigh close to stock.

Silver looks so good in the sun. Like those wheels.

No tickets yet for the plate?

[ggggbmw]

Originally Posted by hwntime

Size-wise, the BRZ and FRS would be a more comparable vehicle at 167" vs the F22's 175" while the Ford comes in a 188". The BRZ average curb weight clocks in around 2800lbs. Of course FWD vs RWD so it's not apples to apples, but it does weigh much lighter. And of course the rear seats in the BRZ/FRS are hardly useable.

I drive my son's FRS fairly often. The light weight and incredible steering are intoxicating. But it is a WAY smaller car. The rear seats can barely hold small children, and the trunk is a third the size of ours. Plenty of room for the driver, but that's it.

It is also very obvious how those weight savings were achieved. The car has virtually no creature comforts, all the materiels (except the seat) are thin and cheap and rattley, there is zero sound isolation, and the car is just tiring to drive after a couple hours.

In contrast, my M235 is a very comfortable all day cruiser, with a much more powerful engine. If that takes 600 pounds more, well, it's worth it to me.

(And as others have pointed out, the FRS/BRZ is RWD. Even comes with a stock LSD, which convinced me to install the LSD on my 2.)

[TrophyWife]

Originally Posted by ggggbmw

I drive my son's FRS fairly often. The light weight and incredible steering are intoxicating. But it is a WAY smaller car. The rear seats can barely hold small children, and the trunk is a third the size of ours. Plenty of room for the driver, but that's it.

It is also very obvious how those weight savings were achieved. The car has virtually no creature comforts, all the materiels (except the seat) are thin and cheap and rattley, there is zero sound isolation, and the car is just tiring to drive after a couple hours.

In contrast, my M235 is a very comfortable all day cruiser, with a much more powerful engine. If that takes 600 pounds more, well, it's worth it to me.

(And as others have pointed out, the FRS/BRZ is RWD. Even comes with a stock LSD, which convinced me to install the LSD on my 2.)

I own a 2013 FRS for almost 5 years then bought a 2016 M235i last Feb. So have both now. FRS is now the screwing around, track, autocross car.

They really are different animals. The FRS is very much more "raw". Ride, noise, features are much less refined. Much easier to work on and no worries about screwing the pooch taking it apart. Ride is rough. But it is so damn light. It just handles so much better. Track days are just a blast.

The BMW is sooo heavy feeling compared after driving the FRS for 5 years. The 2 just feels sluggish compared. No getting over weight. But the power when I want it, is so much more intoxicating with the BMW. It handles great. FRS is next level.

The practicality is not that much different in my opinion. I haven't found too much I can fit in the BMW that I can't fit in the FRS. Seats down or up. Golf clubs no issues. Really, I think the FRS is really good for packing in stuff. I've had gear, chairs, tarps, chests, fill it up. People in the back? No. But honestly, I never ask adults to get into the M235i back seat either. "Let's take your car." No kids nor know any. Commutes are nicer for sure in the BMW.

Summary: I love them both! They fulfill what I need them to do!

[ScottAndrew]

Originally Posted by TrophyWife

The BMW is sooo heavy feeling compared after driving the FRS for 5 years. The 2 just feels sluggish compared. No getting over weight. But the power when I want it, is so much more intoxicating with the BMW. It handles great. FRS is next level.

Indeed so; and that's the wonderful thing about choice. You can choose a balance of dynamic ability and comfort; for example, your FR-S (I'm sorry I had to go and look that one up, it appears to be what everyone else calls a Toyota GT86!) is a great blend of lightness and dynamism but still capable of carrying four people, even if not in great comfort. Whereas compared to a KTM Crossbow, which doesn't even have a roof, even a GT86 it's clearly compromised with with the luxury trappings that daily life demands but don't belong on a racing circuit at all. (Who races a car with air conditioning, subwoofer and no roll cage?) Similarly, compared to a Ssangyong Musso 2.1 turbodiesel with 89 hp, an M235 or M240 is like an F1 car from outer space, powered by the screams of a thousand Gods.

There's a range of everything available, and i find it quite interesting and depressing that people pick what they want, and the rest of it, they just slam and trash.

[Unicorn123]

Originally Posted by ScottAndrew

Indeed so; and that's the wonderful thing about choice. You can choose a balance of dynamic ability and comfort; for example, your FR-S (I'm sorry I had to go and look that one up, it appears to be what everyone else calls a Toyota GT86!) is a great blend of lightness and dynamism but still capable of carrying four people, even if not in great comfort. Whereas compared to a KTM Crossbow, which doesn't even have a roof, even a GT86 it's clearly compromised with with the luxury trappings that daily life demands but don't belong on a racing circuit at all. (Who races a car with air conditioning, subwoofer and no roll cage?) Similarly, compared to a Ssangyong Musso 2.1 turbodiesel with 89 hp, an M235 or M240 is like an F1 car from outer space, powered by the screams of a thousand Gods.

There's a range of everything available, and i find it quite interesting and depressing that people pick what they want, and the rest of it, they just slam and trash.

Great observation, Scott.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by ScottAndrew

...even a GT86 it's clearly compromised with with the luxury trappings that daily life demands but don't belong on a racing circuit at all. (Who races a car with air conditioning, subwoofer and no roll cage?)

Nobody does, as it's not permitted. However, many thousands take their A/C'd, subwoofer'd, no-roll cage cars to the track to drive them in a way that would quickly get them arrested anyplace but the track.

I'm not suggesting the lack of safety equipment is necessarily a good idea, but running without it is done. What's more, at least here in the States, drivers are able to insure their cars for when they're driving them on race tracks.

Re: the GT86/FRS/BRZ not being suitable for race tracks due to its being a street-going car - I've driven an unmodified FRS at Watkins Glen and would strongly disagree. That car, right off the showroom floor, is a worthy achievement on the part of Subaru and Toyota.

[Mollyran]

Gt86 is much extream in every way, just not on the power side. The bucket seats, the better steering feel, the lower center of gravity... I loved this car but at my age, I need the comfort that the f22 can give me, but I did moved to kw coilovers to sharpen the dynamic.