[Chris_B]

By long I assume you mean loving haha.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to this. It'll fit any 2 series which I'm happy about.

Any more input?

If anyone would be interested in this I'm hoping for rear-end ideas.

[aaaaah]

An actually functional diffuser working around the existing exhaust location would also help this with it's target outcome and market.

Otherwise you would have to have every install require a custom exhaust.

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

An actually functional diffuser working around the existing exhaust location would also help this with it's target outcome and market.

Otherwise you would have to have every install require a custom exhaust.

So wide the rear bumper but leave the diffuser section the same.

And create a Bolt on functional diffuser that fits into the original section but eith functional Aero.

Would you want me to widen the original location of the exhaust ports so anyone can fit a dual tip or M2+ exhaust?

[42395_skyline]

I'll give some input but wouldn't be able to afford one any time in the near future. But if I keep the car I do plan wide body later on down the road so..

Personally I would be looking for something that "looks kinda oem" instead of straight up race car. Like how the m2, m3, etc look compared to the regular 2, 3 etc series. However, something more aggressive, just not too aggressive. I like the Manhart kit but I prefer a molded kit for that OEM look. Also, I know it's cheaper to have a one piece rear bumper but maybe a removable diffuser would be a good option so that customers can choose a single exit, dual exit, or quad exhaust. This would be good for 228/30 and 235/40 to keep stock exits or change it. Also, I think it may be cheaper for install not needing to change their exhaust to fit whatever comes on the kit by default.

Just my 2 cents.

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by 42395_skyline

I'll give some input but wouldn't be able to afford one any time in the near future. But if I keep the car I do plan wide body later on down the road so..

Personally I would be looking for something that "looks kinda oem" instead of straight up race car. Like how the m2, m3, etc look compared to the regular 2, 3 etc series. However, something more aggressive, just not too aggressive. I like the Manhart kit but I prefer a molded kit for that OEM look. Also, I know it's cheaper to have a one piece rear bumper but maybe a removable diffuser would be a good option so that customers can choose a single exit, dual exit, or quad exhaust. This would be good for 228/30 and 235/40 to keep stock exits or change it. Also, I think it may be cheaper for install not needing to change their exhaust to fit whatever comes on the kit by default.

Just my 2 cents.

I like this. I appreciate it.

Now the question would be leaving the rear diffuser area stock, should I widen from the bottom corner edges up? Or slowly fade up into a wider fender area from the bottom corners as they are now?

I think it might look awkward considering if I throw 11 inch wheels because it'll show about 4 inches over the bottom corner.

I think including an optional diffuser is a great idea that way we as consumers aren't stuck with one design.

I'll go ahead and design one and use it on my vehicle as an optional piece.

[Chris_B]

Any last input before this project starts?

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Chris_B

Any last input before this project starts?

Only thing to add - from a modularity perspective - the idea to bring your own diffuser is a good one. You could offer something in the kit but there are so many options already in the marketplace that it would be ideal if you could be diffuser agnostic if that's the right term.

The current options - OEM or otherwise - are very much about aesthetics once you get beyond the first step of upgrading from stock, and I would assume (maybe incorrectly) that folks ready to drop big $ on a wide body kit already have an upgraded diffuser to reuse.

Just a simple example with the agnostic approach as someone mentioned someone could run stock exhaust, MPE, or M2 and pick the right diffuser to add to your kit and you're not making multiple versions.

If I were in your shoes and was going to do a diffuser option too I'd model it to work with the MPE for the upgraded diffuser / BMW option. I'm betting that combo would work for most folks who are going down this path.

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

Only thing to add - from a modularity perspective - the idea to bring your own diffuser is a good one. You could offer something in the kit but there are so many options already in the marketplace that it would be ideal if you could be diffuser agnostic if that's the right term.

The current options - OEM or otherwise - are very much about aesthetics once you get beyond the first step of upgrading from stock, and I would assume (maybe incorrectly) that folks ready to drop big $ on a wide body kit already have an upgraded diffuser to reuse.

Just a simple example with the agnostic approach as someone mentioned someone could run stock exhaust, MPE, or M2 and pick the right diffuser to add to your kit and you're not making multiple versions.

If I were in your shoes and was going to do a diffuser option too I'd model it to work with the MPE for the upgraded diffuser / BMW option. I'm betting that combo would work for most folks who are going down this path.

I think you guys will be very impressed with the drafts of my diffuser so far.

It's going to be compatible with Stock, MPE, M2, and any aftermarket exhaust available for our 2 series.

Not only is it a single piece diffuser, but it is designed to act as a rear splitter and *should* stabilize air flowing from the rear wheels.

and if all goes well it'll be an option available to us and not just a one-off.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Chris_B

I think you guys will be very impressed with the drafts of my diffuser so far.

It's going to be compatible with Stock, MPE, M2, and any aftermarket exhaust available for our 2 series.

Not only is it a single piece diffuser, but it is designed to act as a rear splitter and *should* stabilize air flowing from the rear wheels.

and if all goes well it'll be an option available to us and not just a one-off.

That sounds great. It sounds like it would work even without the wide-body kit on a stock car?

I'm a big believer in making things as modular as possible. Giving folks options is nice but so is being able to write multiple little checks vs one big one.

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

That sounds great. It sounds like it would work even without the wide-body kit on a stock car?

I'm a big believer in making things as modular as possible. Giving folks options is nice but so is being able to write multiple little checks vs one big one.

yes, it would work without the widebody kit as well.

I agree. I think it would be the best option for consumers.

I'm not worried about the money. I'm not getting anything for selling or making these.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Chris_B

yes, it would work without the widebody kit as well.

I agree. I think it would be the best option for consumers.

I'm not worried about the money. I'm not getting anything for selling or making these.

I realize, just for a lot of folks there's a benefit (even if not monetary) to being able to do things in stages. Say I've got my brand new still under warranty 240 and I want to do some little stuff - get your super sexy diffuser and an MPE. Then down the road it's now my weekend track toy and I want the full wide body kit - isn't it great my diffuser that I already plunked down a pile of cash for still works and looks good.

I'd just have to think more folks will evolve into your end state versus do it all day one - and it sounds like you're designing things to be flexible and work a la carte which is great.

[ham_hock_]

Agree on the comments above about being agnostic towards the diffuser. That said, I'd love to see something "plug 'n' play" for use with an M2 exhaust. this does not exist yet.

[Chris_B]

Hopefully you all will like what's coming up for this. The design is based off a Pagani Huayra Dinastia.

[Chris_B]

Okay, everyone. Met with the shop and there's some more feedback I need.

We're looking at this kit to be roughly an inch wider than an M2

Most people on the M2 forums are running -

Front 19x9.5 et 21/22/28/30 without spacers
Rear 19x10 et 33/35 without spacers.

Would you guys like to see a similar setup on the widebody for our cars?

Realistically I can run a 10 front 11 rear with this widebody.
If you got this kit, would you run an 18" or 19"?
Would you run an (18/19)x10" or (18/19)x11"

[Chris_B]

Hellloooo?

[aaaaah]

Unless the brakes got in the way I would run 18s. In my opinion 19s are too big for the F22 and if you are running such a widebody, hopefully for track purposes the 18s are going to let you get a better set of tyres underneath the car.

At 11" wide I would have to imagine you would be starting to put too much tyre on the car, throwing off a bunch of the other chassis setup, but I don't know for certain.

[MrMoe99]

I would run 19x10 in the rear only on wide body.. 18s will look too small on a wider body m235i but i would run 18s on a stock m235i.

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

Unless the brakes got in the way I would run 18s. In my opinion 19s are too big for the F22 and if you are running such a widebody, hopefully for track purposes the 18s are going to let you get a better set of tyres underneath the car.

At 11" wide I would have to imagine you would be starting to put too much tyre on the car, throwing off a bunch of the other chassis setup, but I don't know for certain.

I think I agree with this. I'm leaning more toward the 18" so I can run wider, thicker rubber with more fender room, so it performs better on the track, but I think I'm also leaning toward running a 10" front and 10.5"/11" rear.

As far as the rears go, Theoretically I can fit an 18X10.5et25 with a 285/30. with that setup under load I believe I'm 2mm off the strut, and I SHOULD have brake clearance.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by Chris_B

I think I agree with this. I'm leaning more toward the 18" so I can run wider, thicker rubber with more fender room, so it performs better on the track, but I think I'm also leaning toward running a 10" front and 10.5"/11" rear.

As far as the rears go, Theoretically I can fit an 18X10.5et25 with a 285/30. with that setup under load I believe I'm 2mm off the strut, and I SHOULD have brake clearance.

I'm not a wheel / tire expert but I'd lean towards performance versus looks. My sense is that you'd be better off with 18 versus 19, and those tires you're chewing up at the track would be cheaper too.

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by BEM-S4

I'm not a wheel / tire expert but I'd lean towards performance versus looks. My sense is that you'd be better off with 18 versus 19, and those tires you're chewing up at the track would be cheaper too.

Cheaper by like $5

Meaty Tires > Thin Wall

[MichalM240i]

If there would a be chance of buying "IND-style" M235i widebody as on the video above, I'd be interested in that. Just need to make it flush with the stock bumpers, etc. no anything drilled into or anyhow visible. Fully OEM look F80-like fenders (as on the video, as I sayed) :-).
That would be awesome. Don't like the "Manhart" or the japanesse drilled widebody kits.

[Chris_B]

Originally Posted by MichalM240i

If there would a be chance of buying "IND-style" M235i widebody as on the video above, I'd be interested in that. Just need to make it flush with the stock bumpers, etc. no anything drilled into or anyhow visible. Fully OEM look F80-like fenders (as on the video, as I sayed) :-).
That would be awesome. Don't like the "Manhart" or the japanesse drilled widebody kits.

It will be very close. Obviously, it'll be different in the sense that it'll be more aggressive.

Right now, because I think cost is an issue for most people, we're looking at making the front and rear bumper wider by using add-ons that will be molded on flush. It'll widen the bumpers but keep the price down for consumers. Once piece widened fenders and side skirts. And the diffuser WILL work with M235/M2 exhaust systems.

I should have a soft final price here in the next two weeks.

If buyers are willing to spend a little more (still far under other widebody kits) I can price it out for once piece. It'll cost me more for first molding but if it's what buyers want, I can make it happen.