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M235i vs EB Mustang ...?
Ford finally released the HP & TQ figures for the new s550 based 2015 Mustangs.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...ower-2501.html The similarities between the EB (EcoBoost) and the M235i are too obvious, not to cross shop. 2.3L EcoBoost -- 310 HP / 320 LB-FT (on 93 octane) Twin-scroll turbo Compression ratio: 10.5:1 Manual curb weight: 3532 lbs Automatic curb weight: 3524 lbs 5.0L V8 435 HP / 400 LB-FT (on 93 octane) Compression ratio: 11:1 Manual curb weight: 3705 lbs (+87 lbs over 2014 S197) Automatic curb weight: 3729 lbs (+54 lbs over 2014 S197) The 2015 Mustang EcoBoost performance package also includes: Front brakes: Four-piston, 46-millimeter fixed aluminum calipers with 352-millimeter rotors Rear brakes: Single-piston, 45-millimeter floating iron calipers with 330-millimeter rotors 19x9-inch alloy wheels with Pirelli 255/40R19 Y-speed-rated tires front and rear 3.55:1 final drive ratio The 2015 Mustang GT performance package includes: Front brakes: Brembo six-piston, 36-millimeter fixed aluminum calipers with 380-millimeter rotors Rear brakes: Single-piston, 45-millimeter floating iron calipers with 330-millimeter rotors 19x9-inch alloy wheels with Pirelli 255/40R19 Y-speed-rated tires, front; 19x9.5-inch alloy wheels with Pirelli 275/40R19 Y-speed-rated tires, rear Strut tower brace 3.73:1 final drive ratio with Torsen differential Unique front splitter to channel cooling air to the front brakes *NOTE* Understand, this is a comparison thread (vs), to discuss the virtues of each. This is NOT a thread asking if you like the new Mustang, but the virtues of each of these machines. Secondly, we all know the Ford won't have the level of luxury, as BMW. That is nothing new & why it is considerably cheaper. Last edited by w3rkn; 07-19-2014 at 11:14 PM.. |
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07-17-2014, 12:45 PM | #3 |
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i can see some people trying to decide between the 2 but in my opinion 2 different cars and i would pick the 235 any day.
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Besides, there are way too many Mustangs on the road.
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07-17-2014, 04:14 PM | #6 |
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Mustangs are American Muscle. Anyone who gets the EB or a 6 banger is not getting true American Muscle. It's kinda like kissing your sister or drinking light beer.
Still, the EB seems like it'll be cool but it's just not the same. I was disappointed to see the GT add 200#, but only and 10/15 hp/tq. It's still a wait and drive before I order a GT or 235i.
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First, the s550 based Mustang is 100% new. So, those who are trying to knock it, will look very ignorant come release. There is enough information to easily understand what this s550 is. Secondly, the s550 based Mustang did not gain 200lbs, but only 87lbs. But take a look at the EB's weight (3,532lbs), compare it to the M235i. How much weight did the 2-series gain, over the 1-series..? Thirdly, the EB Mustang is $14,000 less than the M235i and comes with a LSD.. which actually makes it nearly $18k less. (How many upgrades can you buy for a Mustang for $15k... ) Forth, If you want MORE, you can always get the V8 GT w/Performance pack for $37k... which will have 100 horsepower more than the M235i. I can sense many of you have not invested enough time researching the new s550. I was never a Mustang fan, never cared about a Mustang, would never drive a Mustang... that is why I paid $52k for a BMW 135is. But.. Quote:
I see the M235i & EB Mustang as EXACT competitors. I am waiting patiently for the M2, but the vids of the Mustang GT350 are mind blowing.. I don't think the Mustang GT and the BMW M235i are even in the same league performance wise. ANd it still remains to be seen about the fit & finish of the car. But I've seen & touched the new interior at a cruise and those materials are no less than My 135is. So.. Also, for every red-blooded human: (GT350 vs M4 ..?) For every read blooded human: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2084XOt-Sj4 There should be a M235i vs sub-forum.. . |
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Best part in this one is 00:46-00:54. That exhaust is perfect imo. Best part here is also around the same timestamp starting around 00:48. That thing keeps winding out... I wonder what that mule's redline is.
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It's pretty much the same answer I give to question "what do you think about the new Corvette?". It looks nice on the sheet, video, etc. but being Chevrolet (Ford in Mustang case), something will go wrong and I will be disappointed. It's sad that most of American cars companies have forgotten how to make a proper car.
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The 2 models can be compared somehow, but the concept is so different that is difficult to see them as direct rivals. At least from an European perspective
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Also, note in that link that the M235i later got 98/100 just behind Tesla. Two of the best scoring cars ever. |
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With no ability to discuss or debate, right..? Totally afraid of an open discussion.. or, most likely just a BMW whore? Again, 100% new, so previous opinion are moot. Since you haven't bothered to educate yourself, you've rendered yourself moot, your opinion moot. That is how logic works... don't thread-crap plz, this is an open discussion about the virtues of each car... related to each other. Additionally, I own a 2013 BMW 135is, (my 3rd).. it's lighter than your M235i.. and quicker.. So, I don't care where you are coming from, you have to respect a respectable car. The old mustang wasn't an even comparison, because of the live rear axil and over-all design. But that has changed, & so has the focus of this new breed of Mustang. If you can't counter, rebuttal, or simply discuss the virtues of each car, know that we understand your ploy. Vlads & Pat, why can't they be compared..? Or, is it that typically nobody would compare a Ford to a BMW.. and odd that many of us are now..? I can bet the GT350 and the M4 will be compared and tested against each other.. so why can't a Mustang with less engine be compared to a M235i..? Honestly, I just think this s550 caught everyone off-guard and people still trying to internalize what they are seeing. Mulally said BMW is going to have a fight on their hands... looks like he wasn't kidding. |
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The last thread was directly discussing the NEW 2015 Mustang. Did you read it? Your thread will add NOTHING new. THAT is my point. You are starting another thread asking the opinions that have already been discussed! YOUR STUPID THREAD IS STUPID!
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Video posted of a quick ride in the new 2.3 & 5.0 Mustangs.
That 2.3 sounds pretty good... (no where near as good as a 135is..) And the 5.0 sounds great, even though he never gets on it.. Last edited by w3rkn; 07-18-2014 at 12:39 PM.. |
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Secondly, Ford released Horsepower & weight figures yesterday.. the exact reason I started this thread, since we now know what the Mustang is packing, and what it weighs. So now it can be legitimately compared to other cars. HERE, so you can not plead ignorance: 3.7L V6 300 HP / 280 LB-FT (on 93 octane) (down from 305 HP of 2014 S197) Compression ratio: 10.5:1 Manual curb weight: 3526 lbs (+30 lbs increase over 2014 S197) Automatic curb weight: 3530 lbs (+12 lbs increase over 2014 S197) 2.3L EcoBoost -- 310 HP / 320 LB-FT (on 93 octane) Twin-scroll turbo Compression ratio: 10.5:1 Manual curb weight: 3532 lbs Automatic curb weight: 3524 lbs 5.0L V8 435 HP / 400 LB-FT (on 93 octane) (up from 420 HP / 390 LB-FT of 2014 S197) Compression ratio: 11:1 Manual curb weight: 3705 lbs (+87 lbs over 2014 S197) Automatic curb weight: 3729 lbs (+54 lbs over 2014 S197) What does the M235i weigh...? |
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