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      08-05-2020, 05:54 PM   #1
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4 Seasons on Pilot Super Sports?

My M240i x-drive is new to me as of March, so I have never driven it in particularly cold weather. This is my daily driver and will be for all four seasons, including many days below freezing (I am in northern Virginia USA). I don't plan to drive it in snow.

My question is how bad will the Pilot Super Sports be in near freezing and sub-freezing weather? Cold plus rain? Intolerable or inconvenient? Unreasonably unsafe?

I'm thinking of just going to a high performance (I know it's relative) all season tire and would like your thoughts. I could run two sets of tires, but trying to avoid.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
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If your not going to use the pilot summers in the snow you can get by.

On very cold pavement the summer tires may get so hard the car is squirrelly on acceleration or cornering but if you go the speed limit the x-drive will help you.

I’m in Baltimore rear wheel drive and running the pilot 4S summers all year round, ran mpss through winters also.

Just know that with summer tires on sheet ice or even packed snow any type of incline will probably be impassable unless you have room and speed.

Are all season safer ? No doubt.
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My M240i x-drive is new to me as of March, so I have never driven it in particularly cold weather. This is my daily driver and will be for all four seasons, including many days below freezing (I am in northern Virginia USA). I don't plan to drive it in snow.

My question is how bad will the Pilot Super Sports be in near freezing and sub-freezing weather? Cold plus rain? Intolerable or inconvenient? Unreasonably unsafe?

I'm thinking of just going to a high performance (I know it's relative) all season tire and would like your thoughts. I could run two sets of tires, but trying to avoid.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
I'm at your same latitude. Your max snowfall events are close to ours. Temps here are likely colder on average, but not so much that we're not in reasonably comparable environments.

I drive my car in the winter only when it's dry out and then only to get all of the fluids up to their operating temperatures. Having migrated here from Northern New England, I initially chose to go with winter tires, which I still have. After three winters here, however, and because I don't drive in the winter unless the roads are clear and dry, I've decided to run Michelin's Ultra High-Performance A/S 3+ all-season tires during the winter and shoulder seasons.

I don't see why that tire, or one like it, wouldn't be perfectly acceptable for year-round use by an owner who doesn't drive in snow and who lives in a region that doesn't see the type of winter weather that occurs up north.

Recognize too that if you find yourself in a position where you must take your car out during the type of intense winter weather that occasionally visits No. VA, you will want the kind of tire on it that allows you to drive at least a short distance away. Granted, I'm thinking in terms of the 2010 storm that left some residents fairly well stranded for days.

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Just know that with summer tires on sheet ice or even packed snow any type of incline will probably be impassable unless you have room and speed.
Been there and done that, at 45° temps no less, and with a modern AWD Volvo with high-performance summer tires on it that simply would not move forward on a very slight incline that had 1" of melting slush on it. So in the winter it isn't just intense conditions that can be an issue with hi-perf summer tires.
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My M240i x-drive is new to me as of March, so I have never driven it in particularly cold weather. This is my daily driver and will be for all four seasons, including many days below freezing (I am in northern Virginia USA). I don't plan to drive it in snow.

My question is how bad will the Pilot Super Sports be in near freezing and sub-freezing weather? Cold plus rain? Intolerable or inconvenient? Unreasonably unsafe?

I'm thinking of just going to a high performance (I know it's relative) all season tire and would like your thoughts. I could run two sets of tires, but trying to avoid.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
I'm at your same latitude. Your max snowfall events are close to ours. Temps here are likely colder on average, but not so much that we're not in reasonably comparable environments.

I drive my car in the winter only when it's dry out and then only to get all of the fluids up to their operating temperatures. Having migrated here from Northern New England, I initially chose to go with winter tires, which I still have. After three winters here, however, and because I don't drive in the winter unless the roads are clear and dry, I've decided to run Michelin's Ultra High-Performance A/S 3+ all-season tires during the winter and shoulder seasons.

I don't see why that tire, or one like it, wouldn't be perfectly acceptable for year-round use by an owner who doesn't drive in snow and who lives in a region that doesn't see the type of winter weather that occurs up north.

Recognize too that if you find yourself in a position where you must take your car out during the type of intense winter weather that occasionally visits No. VA, you will want the kind of tire on it that allows you to drive at least a short distance away. Granted, I'm thinking in terms of the 2010 storm that left some residents fairly well stranded for days.

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Just know that with summer tires on sheet ice or even packed snow any type of incline will probably be impassable unless you have room and speed.
Been there and done that, at 45° temps no less, and with a modern AWD Volvo with high-performance summer tires on it that simply would not move forward on a very slight incline that had 1" of melting slush on it. So in the winter it isn't just intense conditions that can be an issue with hi-perf summer tires.
I'm considering the A/S 3+ as an option.
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Summer tires in snow, ice, or wet/cold will be pretty treacherous; not fit for a daily driver. You really owe it to yourself to do a 2 season set up, but if you are only going with one then you definitely need the all seasons. For well under $2k you can get a good wheel/tire set from Tire Rack, or at a local place that may also store the other set for you (the local shop I use will swap mounted sets in place of the 'free rotation' they offer, since it is the same work for them).
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AS3+ is as good for the first 90%, and most folks can use in all cases. Good as you get for A/S. I'm in Richmond, and doing new wheels and PS4..have stock and rft's if I decide to change. Not my daily, so not as big a deal.

Not sure I'd want to drive in NOVA area with meh tires lol. Lived there 34 years, no way jose.
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Crap. Y'all are making me think I should just keep two wheel sets.
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Crap. Y'all are making me think I should just keep two wheel sets.
Honestly I was going to try and compromise and researched the hell out of the AS3+ with 225.

But I'll being doing light track and some autocross and the 8.5 wheels and 235/40 PS4S will make huge difference with pads.

If straight street running I'd get AS3+. I didn't want to store just tires and pay for all that, so spent monies on new Titans.
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Crap. Y'all are making me think I should just keep two wheel sets.
2 is a good starter set. Some of us are going full 'Imelda Marcos' on it
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Crap. Y'all are making me think I should just keep two wheel sets.
2 is a good starter set. Some of us are going full 'Imelda Marcos' on it
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My M240i x-drive is new to me as of March, so I have never driven it in particularly cold weather. This is my daily driver and will be for all four seasons, including many days below freezing (I am in northern Virginia USA). I don't plan to drive it in snow.

My question is how bad will the Pilot Super Sports be in near freezing and sub-freezing weather? Cold plus rain? Intolerable or inconvenient? Unreasonably unsafe?

I'm thinking of just going to a high performance (I know it's relative) all season tire and would like your thoughts. I could run two sets of tires, but trying to avoid.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
I live in DC. I’ve done summer tires all year round and I’ve alternated between summers and winters (my current set up). The cold here is not enough to justify winter tires. The occasional light snow can generally be avoided by staying home. There are a few large snow events every 5 years or so. If you park outside on the street, you’ll need snow tires just to move your car around. If you park indoors or off the street, you can just wait it out (which is what most normal people do). I have winter tires, but mainly because I find it interesting to do. The money doesn’t bother me. If it did, I wouldn’t bother with winter tires.
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My M240i x-drive is new to me as of March, so I have never driven it in particularly cold weather. This is my daily driver and will be for all four seasons, including many days below freezing (I am in northern Virginia USA). I don't plan to drive it in snow.

My question is how bad will the Pilot Super Sports be in near freezing and sub-freezing weather? Cold plus rain? Intolerable or inconvenient? Unreasonably unsafe?

I'm thinking of just going to a high performance (I know it's relative) all season tire and would like your thoughts. I could run two sets of tires, but trying to avoid.

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
I live in DC. I've done summer tires all year round and I've alternated between summers and winters (my current set up). The cold here is not enough to justify winter tires. The occasional light snow can generally be avoided by staying home. There are a few large snow events every 5 years or so. If you park outside on the street, you'll need snow tires just to move your car around. If you park indoors or off the street, you can just wait it out (which is what most normal people do). I have winter tires, but mainly because I find it interesting to do. The money doesn't bother me. If it did, I wouldn't bother with winter tires.
Very helpful. I think I'll be teleworking until there is a widely available COVID vaccine so, probably best to hold tight on any tire purchases since I won't have my regular 26mi daily commute. I have, at best, a 3 mile commute to the Chick-fil-a at present.
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Summer tires are bad even in dry cold weather.
look out now for a used set of wheels and winter tires. Buying off season is pretty efficient

here is a set for $800 near you off an F22

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...0439692219617/
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Summer tires are bad even in dry cold weather.
look out now for a used set of wheels and winter tires. Buying off season is pretty efficient

here is a set for $800 near you off an F22

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...0439692219617/
Just to clarify, I’m not advocating driving summer tires when temperatures are in the 20s. But we rarely get temperatures that low. Maybe twice a year, if that. Most of the time, the lowest temperatures we see are in the 30s. And pilot super sports, for example, will not degrade to the point of being dangerous in those temperatures, ASSUMING you drive sensibly. I wouldn’t be pushing them. I’d drive normal speeds and avoid any hard cornering or hard braking. Usually, the low temperatures we see happen in the early morning around sunrise. If you are driving later, our winter temperatures tend to be 40 or higher. (This also depends on exactly where you live. So, for example, if you live out in the far western part of the metro area, temperatures can be 10 degrees lower than in the city and you may need an alternative tire plan. I actually live in the city.)
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