BMW M2 discussed by M CEO Nitschke

M3 Adjuster · 07-23-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Bread

So what do you want, just a mildly handicapped M3/M4? Not trying to be rude, I just wish there was more separation between the M2 and M4. A lightweight, 4 cylinder M2 was a lot more appealing than a dumbed down M4.

Agree Red.

Simple fact is.. most people on this board (bimmerpost in general) don't even know that BMW has made 4 cyl motors..

alexmtl_135i · 07-23-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Agree Red.

Simple fact is.. most people on this board (bimmerpost in general) don't even know that BMW has made 4 cyl motors..

It's not really about whether they can make a good turbo 4 or not. No doubt if they make one, it'll be fucking great.
It's more about how they can make a 350hp turbo 4 better than a 350hp N55, and justify the price difference between a M2 4 cylinders, and an M235i 6 cylinders. They'd have to go crazy on lightweight material.

Robin_NL · 07-24-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

I should point out that the M2 is also not in the "near future"...

Well...can you give us a hint when? 2015/2016?

Or:

Cheers
Robin

M3 Adjuster · 07-24-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by alexmtl_135i

It's not really about whether they can make a good turbo 4 or not. No doubt if they make one, it'll be fucking great.
It's more about how they can make a 350hp turbo 4 better than a 350hp N55, and justify the price difference between a M2 4 cylinders, and an M235i 6 cylinders. They'd have to go crazy on lightweight material.

the same way they justified a 4 cylinder in the E30 M3 vs the E30 325 which had a 6 cylinder motor..

one was a great sports coupe... the other an oustanding sports car.. and yes.. a carbon roof, less sound deadening, lighter aluminum suspension parts would likely be the best ways to save weight along with some additional aero parts, better brakes (ala the 6 piston non M calipers on 128/135 vs M3 calipers on 1M) for better performance.

John_01 · 07-24-2013, 05:50 PM

Car sales is mostly about specs and marketing. To make the car sell successfully, it needs more cylinders and more horsepower. A four cylinder engine will fail the marketing test, so we shouldn't take any notice of people who talk about that, IMO.

ayigu · 07-25-2013, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

+1 Same plan for me!

+2 here.

BMW269 · 07-25-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by John_01

Car sales is mostly about specs and marketing. To make the car sell successfully, it needs more cylinders and more horsepower. A four cylinder engine will fail the marketing test, so we shouldn't take any notice of people who talk about that, IMO.

If the car is built around marketing rather than purpose/function, I have no interest in ///M(arketing)2, I want a real ///M(otorsport)2, in the same vein as Toyota GT86.

bplewis24 · 07-25-2013, 01:01 PM

If you want marketing, buy the current 4 series. No need to wait.

John_01 · 07-25-2013, 06:23 PM

Yes if you want a lightweight four cylinder, Toyota have already done it for a good price. Please buy one. BMW will differentiate themselves with the horsepower figure that buyers expect on a M branded car. BMW know the game as well as anyone else. It is just misleading people to talk about a 4 cylinder M division car in current times.

alexmtl_135i · 07-25-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John_01

Yes if you want a lightweight four cylinder, Toyota have already done it for a good price. Please buy one. BMW will differentiate themselves with the horsepower figure that buyers expect on a M branded car. BMW know the game as well as anyone else. It is just misleading people to talk about a 4 cylinder M division car in current times.

Current times are actually about downsizing engines and putting turbos onto it. And the M CEO actually said it is possible to have a 4 cylinders M car.

So...

John_01 · 07-25-2013, 08:08 PM

I think he is likely to be deliberately misleading the market and his competitors. Although what he actually said is that it wont happen in the very near future.

Mercedes have released the AMG A45 with a transverse mounted 4 cylinder. It will be interesting to see how much recognition that achieves. Even if it proves to be a hit, BMW's situation is different because the M235i already has a six cylinder. The M2 needs an engine that is bigger and better than that. The performance car market hasn't changed that much, despite what environmentalists may think.

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John_01 Colonel 232 Rep 2,643 Posts Drives: E90 325i, E82 135i Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia iTrader: (0)	I think he is likely to be deliberately misleading the market and his competitors. Although what he actually said is that it wont happen in the very near future. Mercedes have released the AMG A45 with a transverse mounted 4 cylinder. It will be interesting to see how much recognition that achieves. Even if it proves to be a hit, BMW's situation is different because the M235i already has a six cylinder. The M2 needs an engine that is bigger and better than that. The performance car market hasn't changed that much, despite what environmentalists may think.
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