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Not in the Dinan world - since a DP won't allow the system to maintain emission standards it's not incorporated.
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Why would a change to a tune be needed when you add a CAI? Dinan is (to my knowledge) the only one doing this. Everyone else has the same Stage 1 if you have a CAI or not. Does a changed piggyback result in more HP/TQ vs Stage 1 and CAI? Is the $ worth the result? DP can maintain emission standards ... there are DP meeting EURO6 ... but they are not tested/approved in the US (or CA). Meeting standards and being approved are two different things. |
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11-16-2018, 01:41 PM | #159 |
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Very helpful thread. I had talked to installer about Stage 1 Tuner a couple weeks ago but then when I called back to schedule the install it was gone and V2 was offered in its place! I went ahead and scheduled for this Monday but was having second thoughts given lower power numbers. After reading this thread I think I’m going to go ahead and get the V2. Sounds like it corrects issues with the Stage 1 and is worth getting - notwithstanding lower power numbers. I welcome any thoughts on that decision.
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11-16-2018, 02:15 PM | #160 | |
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I take my car to the track, where all the action is in the corners, and the power difference wouldn't make a material difference to me. At the strip it probably will, doing 60-130 pulls on the highway it probably will (mind you, I haven't compared Dinan's V1 & V2 dyno sheets in detail yet), and bigger numbers always sound better over a beer. The more-torque-lower-down part sounds great for towing (), but the darn thing has so much torque already that I wouldn't be using it. Given the issues with the V1, the fact that Dinan says it has created a tune with better driveability, and the warranty that comes with it, I think the V2 is a no-brainer. Those going for bigger numbers and/or additional features appear to have plenty of choices out there, too, and we're lucky to have so much from which to choose for this platform.
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I don't think no one has this answer so far since so much mistery is still lingering in this ''silent'' change
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One thing many people don't realize is that it is illegal to replace an OEM catalytic converter (either catless or hi flow dp does this) unless it has failed and then it can only be replaced by an OEM equivalent, so in no case is a catless or hi flow cat legal and that's why Dinan doesn't touch it, so they can claim emissions legal mods. The difficulty in enforcement is how folks with a hi flow cat or a catless dp, spacer and JB4 pass emissions because they "meet" standards by hitting the numbers or trick fucking the test and the lack of a true inspection.
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This Numbers are that, just numbers. I have the original Stage 1 and was taken aback when I saw the .v2 numbers (I have also thrown a CEL w/ mine driving normally). I never race my car nor do I run it WOT, so what real difference is a bit less going to make. Seems like we all put a bit too much store in published numbers, be they HP/TQ or 0-60/1/4 mile times. |
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Having a 2015 Mini Cooper I added JCW tune (which showed only moderate gains in HP and TQ on paper). I was worried that I wouldn't see much difference and the cost was twice what the Dinan tune is. I decided to roll the dice and do not regret it at all.
I got the car back and was more than happy w/ the gains. Immediately noticeable and making the car a blast to drive. FWIW, I thought about trading my tuned Mini (only added the JCW tune and wheels and tires) in for a full 2019 JCW Mini and after comparing the two cars, back to back w/ a Salesman w/ me. I'm keeping my tuned car. Even the salesman admitted that my tuned car felt faster and more responsive than the JCW. I mean noticeably better. I'd wager, you'll see even more of a change in your car's performance w/ the Dinan than I saw in my Mini. Not trying to spend your money for you, but I'd allay any fears that your car won't be noticeably faster w/ the Dinan .V2. |
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This is especially true in terms of the percentage of increase in HP and torque, as different dynos produce numbers in different ranges. My experience is that a Dynapak, for example, will produce numbers ~10% less than a Dynojet. The former was used by both Dinan and Turner Motorsports when I had cars tuned in their shops, and by the tuner I used for a BMW race car. NASA requires that RWD and FWD race cars use a Dynojet for car classification purposes - I certainly got a kick out of seeing the big numbers produced by that machine! Quote:
I just looked at the V2 data on Dinan's site. It shows a 9.7% increase in peak HP and an 8.2% increase in peak torque over the base data produced by the M240i they used. While you'll certainly notice this increase if you drive in a way that uses most or all of the car's power, it's not going to be an earth-shattering improvement in performance. OTOH, it's likely little enough additional power that you can confidently use it without worrying about damaging your drivetrain. As always, just my 2¢.
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V2 is an evolution from V1 that irons out some reliability issues that occur in a minority population of V1 units. Power curve has been altered, and specifically, some torque values reduced to allow for a more reliable solution. Pricing has been reduced as a result to compensate for those differences as well. As far as current V1 owners go there is nothing to worry about. There is nothing wrong with the V1 units. The vast majority of units have no issues but not all vehicles are created equal and there are a few that straddle the limits of what the factory system deems acceptable. If you ultimately do experience an issue you will go through the typical troubleshooting/warranty path. That path may end with a replacement to a V2 or it may not depending on what the problem may be. As far as stage 2 is concerned -- It remains to be seen what exact form stage 2 will take. Regardless of its form an upgrade path from V1 or V2 will be provided for. |
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Thanks for checking in and providing details. Please confirm or correct my understanding of your info: Regardless of which version of the stage 1 piggyback a customer has and regardless of the format (piggyback or flash) of the stage 2 tune, the upgrade cost for stage 1 customers will be the price difference between the stage 1 and 2 tunes; as has always been Dinan's policy.
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Wonder if Dinan would care to share percentages of V1 units sold vs. those w/ reported issues?
W/ anything produced, manufacturers expect a small percent of product to have problems. Begs to question at what point (% of issues) does a manufacturer pull a product from the market and replace it? As a Stage 1 (v1) owner, and having one CEL since owning, I'm wondering what my potential for a future issue is. I'm not a high mileage driver (about 3K miles a year), can I anticipate issues occurring when my car is out of warranty and each CEL is money out of pocket? I plan to go to Stage 2 when available (I'm adding the Dinan intake next week), I'd feel much more comfortable knowing a bit more about the % or issues vs. # of v1 units sold. |
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Thanks for the clarification. My 3rd v1 ECU/Harness has been error free for a while now, so I'm happy for the time being. Let's hope it stays that way... at least until the stage 2 solution and upgrade path is available.
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Same here - never had problems - then in June had a CEL which recurred - replaced the harness and it's been fine. Over 26,000 miles with the Stage 1. I am very satisified with the performance and the customer support Dinan provided.
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