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      02-08-2018, 04:31 PM   #23
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Yeah, that would be a problem. Please reach out to my customer service staff asap (CustomerService@ecstuning.com or 1.800.924.5172) they'll be happy to assist.

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      02-08-2018, 04:52 PM   #24
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I have sent an email to KMAC, I'm hoping for some response about this.
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      02-08-2018, 09:36 PM   #25
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Received this email from KMAC

"Your BMW M235 front lower arm 'Camber' adjuster kit is #193616-8H

(Front Caster Mono ball / 2 axis bush) is #193916-5J

You have been supplied Camber adjuster bush #193616-6H which is for 'E' series not 'F'.

Difference is only a fraction but as you witnessed enough not to allow press fit.

So as above it is a type error and will being up with ECS immediately."

So this looks like it was an error by ECS. KMAC are sending me the correct kit. I will hopefully get a response from ecs too.

Will keep you updated....
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Your car is xDrive, right? How do you like the PowerFlex version on you xDrive? Is the bush stiff enough? Not softer than stock? (I got SuperPro and they seem to be softer that stock)
Oops, got my brands wrong. I have the Superpro, not Powerflex. I didn't notice too much difference in softness between stock and Superpro.
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Both KMAC and ECS tuning have both responded quickly to resolve this, really good customer service.

I get it, mistakes happen. That's life. It's how people react to those mistakes, and I feel both companies have been very helpful.
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Powerflex has non-adjustable (OEM replacement) street/race urethane versions available for m235 xdrive. They have adjustable upper caster bushing for RWD, and adjustable camber bushings for lower arms.

I just got the race version bushings that are fixed no adjustments, for both upper/lower arms from Powerflex.
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      02-09-2018, 10:13 AM   #29
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Oops, got my brands wrong. I have the Superpro, not Powerflex. I didn't notice too much difference in softness between stock and Superpro.
OK, how do you like the SuperPro ones then?
(because I've got them pressed into the arms but haven't installed them yet. any issues at all?)
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      02-09-2018, 10:14 AM   #30
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I wonder how true the claims are from KMAC that the bushings will add up to -1.5 degrees of camber. The design doesn't look all that different from Superpro/Powerflex and those can only get up to -0.5 degrees.
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      02-09-2018, 10:19 AM   #31
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Powerflex has non-adjustable (OEM replacement) street/race urethane versions available for m235 xdrive. They have adjustable upper caster bushing for RWD, and adjustable camber bushings for lower arms.

I just got the race version bushings that are fixed no adjustments, for both upper/lower arms from Powerflex.
I was wondering if the PowerFlex camber-adjustable ones for RWD would also fit the xDrive arms since they appear to be the same size.
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      02-09-2018, 10:27 AM   #32
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OK, how do you like the SuperPro ones then?
(because I've got them pressed into the arms but haven't installed them yet. any issues at all?)
No problems at all. But the camber gain wasn't very impressive. The shop was only able to achieve around -0.8 degrees (it was -0.3 stock; didn't realize it was so low); so it did get what's advertise so at least that's good. If these KMAC do actually get -1.5, I'd get a set of it (once they go on sale )
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      02-09-2018, 10:39 AM   #33
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No problems at all. But the camber gain wasn't very impressive. The shop was only able to achieve around -0.8 degrees (it was -0.3 stock; didn't realize it was so low); so it did get what's advertise so at least that's good. If these KMAC do actually get -1.5, I'd get a set of it (once they go on sale )
Great to hear that. I am not looking for "impressive". I'm looking for stiff enough and something that doesn't get misaligned on any bump or pothole, doesn't clank, etc. I am currently at -1º camber front on Eibach springs. If it gets me -1.5º I am going to be happy (for a car that is not going to see any track use).
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      02-09-2018, 02:50 PM   #34
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I am currently at -1º camber front on Eibach springs. If it gets me -1.5º I am going to be happy (for a car that is not going to see any track use).
Which Eibach springs are you on? The Sports or the regular? And was that -1 without anything else but the springs?
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Which Eibach springs are you on? The Sports or the regular? And was that -1 without anything else but the springs?
Eibach Pro-Kit. p/n E10-20-030-03-22. The camber is actually 2-3 minutes shy of -1º, -0.58º one side and -0.57º the other to be more exact. I also have the oem pivot bearings p/n 31216856535 and 31216856536 (realOEM says these are -30 min but people on here say they come this way from factory on xDrive). So I guess it's only the springs effect.
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Both KMAC and ECS tuning have both responded quickly to resolve this, really good customer service.

I get it, mistakes happen. That's life. It's how people react to those mistakes, and I feel both companies have been very helpful.
I emailed KMAC about them and no response still, so I guess experience may vary. lol
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      02-10-2018, 08:58 AM   #37
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I used the powerflex fixed xdrive version I doubt the rwd would fit. I believe the xdrive bushings are larger diameter.
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Got a really interesting and exciting email from KMAC

"Having " In House " Manufacture we are constantly designing new products and always updating existiing. See "About Us" on our Web site. Do note on forum all owners are wanting max. adjustment !! K-MAC Strut top adjusters provide serious Camber ?.Extra 1 ¼ inch. Idea is your adjuster is used in conjunction to not only provide extra but also track width in the pursuit of front row of the grid on race days. Decided to take another look at the front lower arm adjuster and see can increase to 2 degree ! Will put into production and send you 1st off sample in 2 weeks"

Sounds amazing.
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Was that rep drunk when composing that email?
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Got a really interesting and exciting email from KMAC

"Having " In House " Manufacture we are constantly designing new products and always updating existiing. See "About Us" on our Web site. Do note on forum all owners are wanting max. adjustment !! K-MAC Strut top adjusters provide serious Camber ?.Extra 1 ¼ inch. Idea is your adjuster is used in conjunction to not only provide extra but also track width in the pursuit of front row of the grid on race days. Decided to take another look at the front lower arm adjuster and see can increase to 2 degree ! Will put into production and send you 1st off sample in 2 weeks"

Sounds amazing.
Sounds like they want you to be the first to ever try their new product to see if it works. And be grateful for the experience. Of course, it may actually work as planned, and you may actually be happy. Or...
Anyway, it's your call now
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      02-14-2018, 08:09 PM   #41
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camber plates............

Since the strut itself is fixed into the fender via the top strut mounts, the strut rod cannot pivot in the axis you are moving the wheel hub from the below control arms.. This is the same with anyone's adjustable bushing powerflex/kmac. Consider the following, if you put too much negative camber adjustment from factory design, that it could potentially induce extra stress to the strut rod, and break. Do you want to consider that? All the decent brand camber plates worth your coin include a spherical bearing where the strut rod is bolted too and solves this problem. Thus allowing the articulation of the strut shaft when you induce more negative camber. Imagine pushing the control arm outward from the bottom, with the strut shaft fixed on top, what happens? Bind!

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Camber plates for myself is not something I would even remotely consider on a daily driver.

Looking at related posts on this forum, all different options for our car come with problems that you have to put up with. I do a lot of commuting, and increased nvh (amongst the other issues extensively discussed) is not something I want to deal with.
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Camber plates for myself is not something I would even remotely consider on a daily driver.

Looking at related posts on this forum, all different options for our car come with problems that you have to put up with. I do a lot of commuting, and increased nvh (amongst the other issues extensively discussed) is not something I want to deal with.
They responded to my email and basically told me that the bushings are to be used along with their camber plates. They linked me to the plates and recommended using that or to use them together. I ended up just ordering Dinan camber plates yesterday.

What exactly are you looking for? Have you looked into M3/4 control arms? Or maybe the M235iR control arms although I wasn't able to find any info on it.

M235iR #'s from RealOEM
Wishbone, left 31108417011
Wishbone, right 31108417012

Link: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/show...diagId=31_0942
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I am xdrive......

I would look at reviews on the Dinan camber plates on here. Honestly, if you're doing a lot of tracking, great, but if not, I personally could not put up with all the banging and rattling.

Trying to correct oversteer, whilst maintain oem feel. I would of done the control arms a long time ago.....if I could.
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