BMW M235i is Faster On Track Than 1M Coupe (Our 2 Series Interview From Detroit) |
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But i see 4c are making a come back, it'll get better in few more years
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01-15-2014, 07:31 PM | #46 |
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Very excited for the M235i!
At first, I was afraid that it would just be an M Sport packaged 2 series with the PPK engine add-on and just have the M badge slapped on there for good measure. Doesn't seem like the case here. M tuned software calibrations, upgraded cooling system, suspension, braking, faster lap times than a 1M, available LSD option. It's going to be one hell of a car in this segment. IMO, this will blow the S3 away. I think the only competition here is the CLA45 AMG. Well done BMW! Can't wait to get mine! |
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Ring times could be explained in many ways.
Improved suspension geometry and tuning (less understeer, improved camber curves = more grip) Adaptive suspension (more body control, less pitch/roll = more grip, improved driver confidence) Improved power delivery (less heatsoak) Tires (Pilot SuperSports are a big step up from most anything that came before them) Improved behavior at the limit (allows the driver maximize performance) There's more to a car than power and weight. |
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Look at the CLA45 AMG. I think with turbo technology anything is possible with some ingenuity. Edit: Just saw your last sentence. I will agree with that. |
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4c engines are making a come back, now how reliable that amg engine will be...no one knows
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The 1M suspension is setup for more of a fun in a loosey-goosey manner. Also, the BMW M CEO mentioned that the 2-series has a longer wheelbase, something that helps with mid-corner and long sweeper stability. |
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Yes, but I don't buy it. I don't think the manual is the same weight as the automatic.. that has never been the case. The BMW website is all sort of bonkers. It talks about HUD, top speed 130 mph, and lots of other bull
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According to international BMW site both M235i and 135i weight the same: http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html choose "BMW 2 Series Coupe M235i" Unladen weight EU in kg: 1,530 kg http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ata/index.html choose " BMW 1 Series Coupe 135i" Unladen weight EU in kg: 1,530 kg One caveat (there may be more I am not aware of): Compared to above EU spec cars USA cars have sunroof and electric seats as extra equipment which explains at least some of the weight increase. |
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I can envision the M235i being a top seller. It really does check all the boxes for non M customers and the mods will really be fun on this one. Will be interesting to see how this ends up in sales against 328/335i.
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I don't like xdrive at all! My 2013 535 has xdrive and I hate it. Occasionally, it is jerky no matter what mode I am in.
Second, it sucks down gas! I get about 20-22.5 with mixed driving and I am easy on the pedal. 99% time in comfort or Ecopro modes. I really wish dealers in the north east get more RWD cars.
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Thanks for asking our questions Jason. Some really good information confirmed there.
Really looking forward to a M2. I'd like to wait 12 months but if it needs to be 24 - I'm patient enough to trust BMW to truly excite me with something special. |
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Good question. I was talking to a friend of mine today about the M235 and he is very tight with the person in the know at BMW M and he said not too expect one. He said the M235 is THAT good and BMW doesn't see the need for an M2, hence all the comments about how it "outperforms the 1M". That certainly could change...and I hope he's wrong, but he's been pretty spot on with most info he's given me.
That said, this M235 looks pretty awesome and could see dumping the E90, doing Euro Delivery, and driving around in the M235 with a big
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+1 on the weight - hasn't the message consistently been that the E82 135 and M235 would be approximately the same weight ?
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A lot of good info in the interview overall - glad the LSD seems to be a big priority at the launch - hoping the same is the case for the 19' wheel option as well.
And that they don't cost 4k.
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A: Everything is possible. We will not let our folks down. We will have something that is really exciting. This gives me hope that they will build the M2.
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Great news for a great car,
Im not that surprise, many M135i have more power output that the claimed 320HP Mine run around 330-340 stock maybe they just dont want to upset the 1M owners that soon
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.001 sec is technically "faster"...how much faster and around where? as others have said not sure how this is possible on paper but would like the claims substantiated.
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Next generation M2 will outsell the M3/4 imo, it has such a nice future Ahead of itself imo.
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The car is very very fast, acceleration effortless and definitely superior to my JB Stage1 N55 135i. There is no indication of the engine working too hard either. Would I want this engine in my E82 or in future M2? I sincerely don't know. The bigger I6 engine still has the tactile charm and gives impression of deeper power reserves. To really judge the A45 engine I would love to try a manual trans, but it just isn't available on Mercs. One thing is for sure: if M2 gets I4 it better be coarse and angry and vulgar like AMG's. The prerecorded synthetic sound of recent BMWs is just a slap in a face, really. You just can't stop thinking that a whole car is somehow synthetic too. |
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