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      03-19-2018, 03:13 PM   #1
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Tired of paying $350 for these pirelli run flats!!

I’m done giving my money to bmw for a new tire for $350 that’s just going to blow on the sidewall in 3 months, I’ve had my m235 for a year and already went through 4 tires!! Does anybody have any tire recommendations for me? I’ve been looking at nitto nt555 and nt555r radials, also interested in some toyo’s. I’m also using discounttiredirect.com, if anybody knows where I can get tires even cheaper let me know!
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      03-19-2018, 04:03 PM   #2
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Why are you still using run-flats? Michelin Pilot Super Sports are better in every single way, including the price!
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      03-19-2018, 04:46 PM   #3
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As mentioned above, non run flats are way better and cheaper.
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      03-19-2018, 04:54 PM   #4
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I like discounttiredirect their shipping fees are folded into the advertised price.
(Tirerack is a sponsor and they are also excellent)
I find the Michelin PSS A/S-3 a little more durability resilient to the summer version - but the summer version (even to an average driver like myself) feels amazing and better.
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I paid about $500 shipped to my door for the a set of the new Continental Extreme Contact sports. I always ditch the run flats after the first one goes. Sell the others to a person turning in a lease and recoup probably the whole of the cost of the replacement tires.
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Why are you still using run-flats? Michelin Pilot Super Sports are better in every single way, including the price!
I’m sure there are some people who like the idea of being able to go somewhere safe before pulling over. Plus the possible blowout protection. Bridgestone sells run flats that are cheaper. They are also softer riding. If I’m not going to have a spare,I like the run flats. If I can get softer ones. My Acura MDX hybrid had no spare and no run flats. I added a spare tire kit. I would do that with the bmw if there was room.
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      03-19-2018, 09:19 PM   #7
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Yes. I'm concerned about flats as well. Don't think I'll switch to RFs but tempted. I've had to rely on them more than once.
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      03-19-2018, 10:06 PM   #8
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You're always going have this problem with low pro, run-flats tires, that's just because by nature, this tire already has very little cushion and the run-flat material structure are very hard, a bad combo all around.. I had a bubble on both of those same Pirelli all season tires, a week after I took delivery. One afternoon, I posted the remaining two good tires on EBay for $100 each. Sold them in a half hour.

I then ordered some Michelin Super Sports from Tire Rack, who threw in free road hazard and there where no sales tax.

In two years since, I had not have any tire issues or reasons to use the road hazard. Do yourself a favor and get rid of those run-flats. The vehicle's Onboard system immediately warns you if their is an issue with any of the wheels and BMW gives you free flatbed towing for 4 years, with the ability for them to track your exact location from the vehicle's SOS GPS system. You'll survive if you decide to ditch the run-flats.
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      03-19-2018, 11:51 PM   #9
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The Pirelli run flats have truly given everyone a right to hate the run flats. You are not the first to complain about them.

I have the Bridgestone s001 run flats and I have no complaints at all.
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      03-20-2018, 04:52 AM   #10
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When you change from one brand of runflat to an entirely different brand of non-runflat, how do you know that the improvement you feel is wholly down to the 'runflatness' of the previous tyre? It could just as well be due to a change of brand. Has anyone changed from exactly the same tyre in runflat form to non-runflat?

Also bear in mind there are around eight different variants to the PZero, including the 'old' PZero and the 'new' PZero, so this can make comparisons different.

I don't doubt there's some difference in handling with non-runflats but I wouldn't necessarily ascribe all of the improvement to swapping. Basically, I suspect that there are much better runflats for the 2 Series than the Pirelli PZero out there (as @3rdcoast228i reports above).

When I worked for Pirelli, the PZero was primarily designed for fairly heavy performance cars (think Aston Martin, AMG etc.). It doesn't seem to suit lighter-weight models at all, so I'm not surprised that a switch to another brand would be an improvement, runflat or not.
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..... Has anyone changed from exactly the same tyre in runflat form to non-runflat? ......
I'm about to swap in Conti extremesport NRFT's for my OE Contisport Contact 5 RFT's, so I'll post back. FWIW, the Conti RFT's weren't terrible, but they wore quickly and developed 'chopping' that was quite annoying (partly d/t alignment shift, not entirely their fault). Done w/ them at about 16k - could get more life, but can't stand the noise and wanting to upgrade for this coming summer.
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I paid about $500 shipped to my door for the a set of the new Continental Extreme Contact sports. I always ditch the run flats after the first one goes. Sell the others to a person turning in a lease and recoup probably the whole of the cost of the replacement tires.
The Michelin Pilot Sport 4 is also an excellent tire. If you read the testing done jointly by Tire Rack and Car & Driver, the Continental has the advantage in wet, the Michelin in dry, but both perform better than most in either environment. Just that these are by far the 2 best non-run flat summer tires on the market today and both are better than the old Michelin Supersports. Tire rack is now selling 225/40/18 Conti's for about $160 each delivered, a best buy, compared to $220 for the Michelins shipped to Vegas
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I’m done giving my money to bmw for a new tire for $350 that’s just going to blow on the sidewall in 3 months, I’ve had my m235 for a year and already went through 4 tires!! Does anybody have any tire recommendations for me? I’ve been looking at nitto nt555 and nt555r radials, also interested in some toyo’s. I’m also using discounttiredirect.com, if anybody knows where I can get tires even cheaper let me know!
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Why are you buying your tires from BMW. Their prices are outrageous. I priced tires for my 2012 X3 non run flats at BMW and they were much more than I paid for them at Tire Rack. Screw the run flats. When mine go I will never buy them again. That is why I have towing insurance.
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I’m sure there are some people who like the idea of being able to go somewhere safe before pulling over. Plus the possible blowout protection. Bridgestone sells run flats that are cheaper. They are also softer riding. If I’m not going to have a spare,I like the run flats. If I can get softer ones. My Acura MDX hybrid had no spare and no run flats. I added a spare tire kit. I would do that with the bmw if there was room.
There is space for a "space saver" spare... but convenience and piece of mind comes at a cost... personally it's worth it, had a similar setup on my C6 Vette and used it twice on road trips.

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Why are you still using run-flats? Michelin Pilot Super Sports are better in every single way, including the price!
There is a legitimate use for them. Personally I hate them, and would never run them, but I can tell you why, my girlfriend for instance, uses them, and I am glad she does. If you get a flat at night time, being a woman by yourself can be pretty scary at times, its happened to her before, there are a lot of creeps out there.

Especially if its not in a well lit area. At least if you have a run flat, you can get to a safe space. Obviously this benefits men and women, but I would imagine it would be also a decent thing if you got a teenager driving around your car etc. provides them a chance at least to get somewhere safe or well lit.

But having said that PSS or PS4S all the way.
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Just to be clear, I also had runflats on my 335i. When it came time to get new tires I went with non run flats as per the recommendation of almost everyone. While the non run flats definitely had a better ride, I still didn't have a problem with the run flats that were on it. I don't think you can go wrong either way for a daily driver. You have to decide what's best for you.

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the run flats are terrible. Ditch them. asap
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The run flats may be terrible in California, but in this part of the world, where nature just dumped a foot of snow on the second day of spring and the invisible potholes are large enough to swallow a dog, they make a lot of sense.
I would really like to see a blind test of run flats and non run flats. I doubt that many people would know which is which.
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I ordered my M240i with allseason runflats, and I've driven enough (300 miles) to see a big difference between these tires and the AWD with PSS that I took for a 2 hour test drive. Even without the front wheels burdened with the AWD effluvia, there is much less feel at ordinary speeds. Running at the posted advisory speed through a corner, the steering is dead. Once set in the corner I can take my hands off the wheel and it moves towards centre not at all or very little. The test car gave quite good feedback at the same speeds, as indicated by the wheel jumping back towards centre when released. Whether these tires stay on the car depends on whether the steering feel improves near the traction limit. I'll find that out once the weather improves and I can run my favorite twisty roads at about twice the posted corner advisory speed. (My previous fun car, an 01 Z06 was like this, so I'm not giving up hope.)

Even if I have to get rid of the runflats immediately, I'll still be happy with my decision because the PSS give way too much traction for fun in the twisties at slightly sane corner speeds. (They would have been ditched immediately for other choices, such as the non-runflat Potenza S-04 that has both less traction than the PSS and better steering feel.) Plus, I wanted to be sure that the car electronics were set up for all tires the same size. I prefer some oversteer because it's more fun (the fact that it's slower on a racetrack is irrelevant to me), and having wider tires at the back guarantees that I would have less oversteer.
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I paid about $500 shipped to my door for the a set of the new Continental Extreme Contact sports. I always ditch the run flats after the first one goes. Sell the others to a person turning in a lease and recoup probably the whole of the cost of the replacement tires.
Those are the tires I went with, putting them on soon can’t wait
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I paid about $500 shipped to my door for the a set of the new Continental Extreme Contact sports. I always ditch the run flats after the first one goes. Sell the others to a person turning in a lease and recoup probably the whole of the cost of the replacement tires.
Those are the tires I went with, putting them on soon canÂ’t wait
Grip for days so far. I also like the feedback they give.
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The run flats may be terrible in California, but in this part of the world, where nature just dumped a foot of snow on the second day of spring and the invisible potholes are large enough to swallow a dog, they make a lot of sense.
I would really like to see a blind test of run flats and non run flats. I doubt that many people would know which is which.
I love the concept of RF tires also but it sucks sooo badly to have to pay over $300 to replaced a *brand new* tire, just after one pothole. I've been there before and I much rather roll the dice of being stranded in some hood by a regular tires, then getting beaten and robbed of my dignity, - than having to change tires a new RF tire EVERY month... It's cheaper and less painful..
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