[Drpoomanchu]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Oh man! I'm the one in the dark.... I've got a 2014 with 9k miles on it and only had 2 oil changes done, both by the dealer.

Shit, if 0w40 is recommended I'm switching then.

Thanks drpoo. Anyone else please chime in on the 0w40...

Yea, i thought the N55 needed strictly 5w30 but i read dome others with N55's running 0w40 so i busted out my manual for the first time and saw that 0w40 was a recommended oil. The rest is history....

Now im easily making 10-15hp increase to the wheels after this 0w40 mod

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Drpoomanchu

Yea, i thought the N55 needed strictly 5w30 but i read dome others with N55's running 0w40 so i busted out my manual for the first time and saw that 0w40 was a recommended oil. The rest is history....

Now im easily making 10-15hp increase to the wheels after this 0w40 mod

Just like the stickers add 5hp each... Badges...10hp.
Thinking of buying a D I N A N badge and an S10 badge

[Drpoomanchu]

This is diectly out of the manual.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Drpoomanchu

This is diectly out of the manual.

Man, that's a broad range. I guess 0w40 has the most flexibility then. Thanks man. My manual said 5w30 but those other grades were "optional".

[Mywifes335]

Ok, I've spent a few hours traversing online for info on 0w-40 oils that meet BMW LL-01/LL-01 FE specs.

1. Castrol Edge (German)
2. Motul 8100 X-max (although on BITOG, they claim Motul isn't as good as Mobil 1, which in its current FS formulation is no longer approved by BMW)
Amsoil European Car Formula

I couldn't find any LL-01 approved LiquiMoly, Redline, She'll (non-OE BMW TwinPower oil)....

Also, found out that Rotella T6 is not LL-01... Shit.

[Drpoomanchu]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Ok, I've spent a few hours traversing online for info on 0w-40 oils that meet BMW LL-01/LL-01 FE specs.

1. Castrol Edge (German)
2. Motul 8100 X-max (although on BITOG, they claim Motul isn't as good as Mobil 1, which in its current FS formulation is no longer approved by BMW)
Amsoil European Car Formula

I couldn't find any LL-01 approved LiquiMoly, Redline, She'll (non-OE BMW TwinPower oil)....

Also, found out that Rotella T6 is not LL-01... Shit.

Right, its labeled EUROPEAN FORMULA and LL-01 approved... I havent seen any other 0w40's at WallyWorld.. Im assuming its perfectly ok to run. I just wonder if it would be too thin in high climates during summer... Im in Oh and Temp only hits 90+ Rarely but still makes me wonder.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Drpoomanchu

Right, its labeled EUROPEAN FORMULA and LL-01 approved... I havent seen any other 0w40's at WallyWorld.. Im assuming its perfectly ok to run. I just wonder if it would be too thin in high climates during summer... Im in Oh and Temp only hits 90+ Rarely but still makes me wonder.

Yeah, that's my only concern...being in Tejas and all.

But what of cars running big boost? Running/holding 17-18psi sometimes...

[Mywifes335]

So far, overwhelming response for the BMW OE oil. That said, which version do you buy?

There are three levels:

[Drpoomanchu]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

So far, overwhelming response for the BMW OE oil. That said, which version do you buy?

There are three levels:

Yea, they really work up their product...

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Drpoomanchu

Yea, they really work up their product...

I'm confused...which one do they put in our cars for "free" maintenance?

[Pparana]

Originally Posted by Drpoomanchu

Right, its labeled EUROPEAN FORMULA and LL-01 approved... I havent seen any other 0w40's at WallyWorld.. Im assuming its perfectly ok to run. I just wonder if it would be too thin in high climates during summer... Im in Oh and Temp only hits 90+ Rarely but still makes me wonder.

0w 40 had a higher ambient temperature range than 5w30, I would prob. not run the 0w 40 in winter in Canada, but I live in FL so no problem 0w 40 is a better choice for the turbos,

I think 0w-40 is more suitable for our turbo cars. Especially when you wot alot, you will see very high engine oil temp, 0W-40 will give you more protection on wot. You may see marginal fuel economy drop over 5w 30.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Pparana

0w 40 had a higher ambient temperature range than 5w30, I would prob. not run the 0w 40 in winter in Canada, but I live in FL so no problem 0w 40 is a better choice for the turbos,

I think 0w-40 is more suitable for our turbo cars. Especially when you wot alot, you will see very high engine oil temp, 0W-40 will give you more protection on wot. You may see marginal fuel economy drop over 5w 30.

^thanks my man. I'll be in TX most of the time and otherwise in NJ, so yeah no prolonged cold winters like in Canada. Plus, my car sees a good bit of WOT.

[Drpoomanchu]

Originally Posted by Pparana

0w 40 had a higher ambient temperature range than 5w30, I would prob. not run the 0w 40 in winter in Canada, but I live in FL so no problem 0w 40 is a better choice for the turbos,

I think 0w-40 is more suitable for our turbo cars. Especially when you wot alot, you will see very high engine oil temp, 0W-40 will give you more protection on wot. You may see marginal fuel economy drop over 5w 30.

Here recently ive noticed my temp got up to 244 with 0w40 and some spirited city driving.. I havnt really payed much attention before but noticed it typically sits right at 240. Im gonna keep my eye on it and check some of my logs.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Drpoomanchu

Here recently ive noticed my temp got up to 244 with 0w40 and some spirited city driving.. I havnt really payed much attention before but noticed it typically sits right at 240. Im gonna keep my eye on it and check some of my logs.

Do you think another viscosity would have better thermal properties?

Thanks Manchu.

[stealthwang]

Pennzoil (Shell) recommended oil for the m235i is Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40. It's what I'm using. 0w40, 5w40, 0w30, 5w30 are all acceptable according to my 2016 manual. Might switch to 0w30 for the winter if I can find a good one affordably.

http://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/oil-se...NfRUZ0OFBsTWpW

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by stealthwang

Pennzoil (Shell) recommended oil for the m235i is Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w40. It's what I'm using. 0w40, 5w40, 0w30, 5w30 are all acceptable according to my 2016 manual. Might switch to 0w30 for the winter if I can find a good one affordably.

http://www.pennzoil.com/en_us/oil-se...NfRUZ0OFBsTWpW

Thanks Man. You know if it's a Group IV oil?

[stealthwang]

It's a group 3 full synthetic made using a gas-to-liquid process rather than hydrocracking. It's not group 4 since the base oil is not a blend of PAOs.

The performance in tests of these Shell GTL oils has generally been very good and I've seen VOA of Platinum Euro where the additive package compared very favorably to any other I've seen. Group IV oils do not always exceed the performance of Group III.

Of course, bobistheoilguy.com is the home to most of this info and speculation.

Also: http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...ase-oil-trends note the numbers here are from 2002 at the latest and specific to hydrocracking. group III has only continued to improve.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by stealthwang

It's a group 3 full synthetic made using a gas-to-liquid process rather than hydrocracking. It's not group 4 since the base oil is not a blend of PAOs.

The performance in tests of these Shell GTL oils has generally been very good and I've seen VOA of Platinum Euro where the detergent package compared very favorably to anything else I've seen. Group IV oils do not always exceed the performance of Group III.

Of course, bobistheoilguy.com is the home to most of this info and speculation.

Also: http://www.machinerylubrication.com/...ase-oil-trends note the numbers here are from 2002 at the latest and specific to hydrocracking. group III has only continued to improve.

Bro.... Have you ever tried to navigate BITOG? After 2 hours I threw in the towel. But apparently he likes European Formula Mobil 1 0w40. This would've been the slam dunk for our cars. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, it just lost the LL-01 designation.

So I'm running and holding 17.5-18psi of boost and wanted more protection. Pretty soon will run upward of 20psi. Do you think Group III will stand up to that type of usage?

I used to think that shear strength is everything but apparently detergent packages make a big difference too.

Your thoughts? I'm royally confused.

[stealthwang]

got no doubt it can. i'm sure you can find those running this oil in even more demanding applications.

group III can out perform group IV.

With Pennzoil Ultra Platinum™, pistons were:
· up to 25% cleaner than with Mobil 1
· up to 35% cleaner than with Valvoline® Synpower®

With Pennzoil Platinum®, pistons were:
· up to 8% cleaner than with Mobil 1
· up to 17% cleaner than with Valvoline® Synpower®

http://www.pennzoil.ca/technology-of...tic-motor-oil/

to quote that earlier article:

Incredibly, one new base oil feedstock is natural gas. In this decade, we will see a new type of ultraperformance base oil derived from wax which is derived from natural gas via the Fischer-Tropsch process (see Related Reading at end of article). The plants making these super-synthetic Group III base oils will employ the latest hydroprocessing technology. Dubbed GTL, for gas-to-liquids, these base stocks are already being referred to as Group III+, or “Super-Group III.” ChevronTexaco’s brand name for these products is FTBOTM base oils (FT for Fischer-Tropsch). They will have VIs significantly higher than PAOs, and they will be used to make the fuel-efficient, long-life automotive and industrial oils of the future.

[Drpoomanchu]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Bro.... Have you ever tried to navigate BITOG? After 2 hours I threw in the towel. But apparently he likes European Formula Mobil 1 0w40. This would've been the slam dunk for our cars. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, it just lost the LL-01 designation.

So I'm running and holding 17.5-18psi of boost and wanted more protection. Pretty soon will run upward of 20psi. Do you think Group III will stand up to that type of usage?

I used to think that shear strength is everything but apparently detergent packages make a big difference too.

Your thoughts? I'm royally confused.

When was the LL-01 lost... Its still fixed to the label on the container... Not sure im understanding this...

[XutvJet]

Fellas, Castrol 0W-30 Euro is where it's at. I won't get into the detailed chemical specifics, but it's extremely robust and behaves much like a 40 weight in certain instances.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Drpoomanchu

When was the LL-01 lost... Its still fixed to the label on the container... Not sure im understanding this...

Gone. After Mobil switched to the new FS formulation, it lost the LL-01 designation.

This is VERY recent. There might still be old stock that have the old labeling.