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      09-26-2017, 09:46 AM   #23
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I got excited there for a second until I saw the FWD platform. I knew the position of the front wheel relative to the windshield somehow didn't look right.

If BMW had a RWD platform, they could easily compete against the A3 and CLA on driving dynamics alone. Now that I see it's a FWD platform, that advantage is negated.

BMW keeps going down the wrong money-saving path.
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I wonder how this will effect RWD coupe 2 series value.

I also wonder how this will affect current 2 series owners. Will some move away from the 2 series just because they don't want to be associated with the cheap FWD?
Move to where? An underpowered Subaru BRZ or Toyota FRS? A Miata? An i3?

Or instead to an A3/S3/RS3, CLA/CLA45 with "cheap FWD", the latter of which with enough power to blow the doors right off many RWD vehicles?

Or maybe instead a Focus RS, Golf R based on lesser models with "cheap FWD"?

Or maybe a WRX or WRX STi? Those at least have a longitudinal motor, right? But wait, the Impreza from which they borrow is still available in some countries with - you guessed it - FWD.

Or, they can stay in a G42/G43 coupe/convertible 2/M2, still have RWD, still have the option of AWD in the non M-models, still have the option for an I6 in both M and M Performance models, and still have as much as 400hp+ under the hood.

Which do you think will happen?
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I thought:
40 = B58
35 = N55
30 = B48
20/28 = N20

That applies to the current pre and post lci 2, 3, & 4 series we have in North America at least.
I thought

40 = M60
35 = M30
30 = M30
20 = M10
28 = M52

You do realize that BMW changes engines, things move up and down the ladder, right?
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      09-26-2017, 09:59 AM   #27
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Move to where? An underpowered Subaru BRZ or Toyota FRS? A Miata? An i3?

Or instead to an A3/S3/RS3, CLA/CLA45 with "cheap FWD", the latter of which with enough power to blow the doors right off many RWD vehicles?

Or maybe instead a Focus RS, Golf R based on lesser models with "cheap FWD"?

Or maybe a WRX or WRX STi? Those at least have a longitudinal motor, right? But wait, the Impreza from which they borrow is still available in some countries with - you guessed it - FWD.

Or, they can stay in a G42/G43 coupe/convertible 2/M2, still have RWD, still have the option of AWD in the non M-models, still have the option for an I6 in both M and M Performance models, and still have as much as 400hp+ under the hood.

Which do you think will happen?
A lot of 2 series owners (at least here) have the funds to buy outside the segment. They choose the 2 just because it's a good looking car thats a blast to drive. (Along with many other reasons) Just inside BMW, 3 and 4 series are options for current owners.
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      09-26-2017, 10:03 AM   #28
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I guess there is no B58 engine in that car.

This actually confirms the next 2 series will be FWD.

They should just bring 140 xdrive to US.
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      09-26-2017, 10:03 AM   #29
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I don't know lads, I'm a little concerned with the proportions of this thing. reminds me well too much of that Chinese-market-only abomination they released last year. I sure hope they just stretch the existing 2er, but this feels like a whole new animal.
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      09-26-2017, 10:07 AM   #30
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A lot of 2 series owners (at least here) have the funds to buy outside the segment. They choose the 2 just because it's a good looking car thats a blast to drive. (Along with many other reasons) Just inside BMW, 3 and 4 series are options for current owners.
Well then, you answered your own question. If they choose the vehicle for that purpose, then it will remain available in both the current generation and next generation for that same purpose.

On the other hand, if they have other reasons for choosing the vehicle that don't align with the "cheap FWD" that has befallen other models with the same nameplate, well, they can move on to whichever models from whichever other makes will help them feel good about their purchase.
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I don't know lads, I'm a little concerned with the proportions of this thing. reminds me well too much of that Chinese-market-only abomination they released last year. I sure hope they just stretch the existing 2er, but this feels like a whole new animal.
It's based on a totally different platform.
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Well then, you answered your own question. If they choose the vehicle for that purpose, then it will remain available in both the current generation and next generation for that same purpose.

On the other hand, if they have other reasons for choosing the vehicle that don't align with the "cheap FWD" that has befallen other models with the same nameplate, well, they can move on to whichever models from whichever other makes will help them feel good about their purchase.
I'm sure BMW pays people to do these types of market analysis. Only time will tell though.
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I thought:
40 = B58
35 = N55
30 = B48
20/28 = N20

That applies to the current pre and post lci 2, 3, & 4 series we have in North America at least.
I thought

40 = M60
35 = M30
30 = M30
20 = M10
28 = M52

You do realize that BMW changes engines, things move up and down the ladder, right?
The B48 and B58 are already in use with the monikers described. Not talking about the changes that come when they switch to new engines.
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      09-26-2017, 10:30 AM   #34
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This is the UKL platform. The engine will be a more powerful version of the current B48 engine. I guess a 6 cyl transverse mounted engine is out of question for this platform.
correct, too big (long.)
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FWD...it's a shame.
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      09-26-2017, 11:16 AM   #37
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Don?t make another mistake... this has to available as an M2GC (S55) and would be the hottest hatch EVER.

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Wrong chassis, won't fit. Read the thread.
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I guess there is no B58 engine in that car.
Good guess, since it's stated in the OP that it will use a B48.

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This actually confirms the next 2 series will be FWD.
It does nothing of the sort.

First of all, it doesn't confirm anything, since its just a picture of an early test mule that could mislead, plus we have inside information that already had confirmed that the 2 Series GC is based on UKL (will be FWD/AWD).

Secondly, the 2 Series will span two separate platforms, as I said in an earlier post. So, in fact, the 2 Series will comprise vehicles that are FWD, front-biased AWD, RWD, and rear-biased AWD. It depends on the vehicle in question.

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They should just bring 140 xdrive to US.
That's a two-box hatchback. Whether the 2GC is a 4 door or a 5-door, it will cover a completely different market from (and one that is substantially larger than) the two-box hatch market. Also, the the next generation 1 Series hatchbacks will move to UKL in 2019 (the same year the 2GC will arrive) anyway. So, there will be no more small, RWD BMW vehicles with more than two doors.

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FWD LMAO. good thing I bought my M2 this year.
The current M2 will be in production until 2021. The following generation 2 Series and M2 coupe (and convertible) will be RWD and be in production until approximately 2028. So, yes you just barely got in under the wire with only ten years to spare.

That said, a FWD platform can be the basis of very high performing cars. You may be aware of the current TT RS and how quick it is. BMW won't be building 1 or 2 Series UKL vehicles with that much power and as capable a chassis any time soon, but if they do someday, you can bet they will outperform the current generation RWD vehicles. No, they won't have the same RWD appeal, but they are not doomed to perform poorly just because of the donor UKL platform (or whatever succeeds UKL).
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This is so confusing, 2 series with FWD and M2 with RWD?
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You guys wishing for a sideways six can just go ahead and stop now.
Volvo made it work before!
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You guys wishing for a sideways six can just go ahead and stop now.
Volvo made it work before!
Even did a V8! And what memorably sporty cars they all were.
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This is so confusing, 2 series with FWD and M2 with RWD?
Not quite.

- 2 Series Gran Coupe, GT, and AT (the latter two already on the market) with FWD/AWD
- 2 Series Coupe and Convertible with RWD/AWD
- M2 Coupe (and maybe Convertible) with RWD
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